Sanctions

lukieboy96

Hearing about some people's sanctions. Some of them seem very harsh in the time they are given. How will this help them, i don't know!

I have heard that job centre's have been reprimanded for not giving more sanctions!!! How can this be right!!!

They seem to degrade people.

anonymousx3

Dunroamin wrote: »

If you don't bother turning up for an appointment regarding claiming hardship [payment then why should you expect to receive them? Why would you assume that psychosis was the reason for not doing so as opposed to couldn'tbe@rsedness?

Some of you people are just !!!!ing evil with your attempts to justify attacks on the poor. Where the !!!! is your conscience?

paulineb_2

I used to work with young people in supported accommodation and know of one young man who was sanctioned for 52 weeks because an appointment letter had gone to his dads house after he had moved out, he changed job centres but the sanction applied. He didnt get hardship payments, this was appealed, still nothing. His rent got paid because his support worker wrote to HB and explained that he was living on nil income, it wouldnt have been automatic.

I think when talking about people who are signing on we could do well to remember that some people lead extremely chaotic lives and that could be due to mental health issues, addictions, homelessness and yes, Ive also worked with young people where I was tearing my hair out at the fact all they had to do was get up out of their bed and sign on and they wouldnt.

But some of these sanctions now last up to 3 years, 3 years without benefit? Its beyond harsh and whereas I always managed to sign on and get my jobsearch diary handed in when I was on JSA, there were times when I was late. The couple of harsh winters we had where all transport ground to an almost halt. Its a 6 mile round trip to my local office. Its a 15 mile round trip for some people further afield. Fortunately Im capable of speaking up and telephoning when I need to, if I were going to be late for example.
But then I have a landline phone. If someone doesnt have a landline phone (which a lot of young homeless people dont), it costs a fortune to phone the DWP.

Some people who get sanctions will deserve a sanction for a time period, but its not automatic that harship gets paid and as I said, some people live extremely chaotic lives, some with mental health issues, addictions, moving from one place to another over a short period of time. Sometimes when peoples lives are in chaos the simplest thing can end up being a massive issue. And when people are moving around a lot its not surprising that some people miss appointments.

And having worked with people who have suffered from psychosis and schizophrenia, many of these people dont have an advocate who can help them with benefit issues, or if they do, they arent guaranteed that that person is going to be around when they need help with a housing or benefits issue.

Hang_Tight_Harry

anonymousx3 wrote: »

Some of you people are just !!!!ing evil with your attempts to justify attacks on the poor. Where the !!!! is your conscience?

Are you totally unable to comment without foul language?

Dunroamin

anonymousx3 wrote: »

Some of you people are just !!!!ing evil with your attempts to justify attacks on the poor. Where the !!!! is your conscience?

If it comes to that, where are your manners?:p

Dunroamin

paulineb wrote: »

I used to work with young people in supported accommodation and know of one young man who was sanctioned for 52 weeks because an appointment letter had gone to his dads house after he had moved out, he changed job centres but the sanction applied.

I think you were only told part of the story. Nobody's sanctioned for a whole year just for missing one appointment.

bigboybrother

So getting a sanction be it for ESA or JSA is always the fault of someone else? Never the fault of the claimant.?

If someone is claiming ESA and is in the Work Group and is unable to carry out the instructions given that form part of the requirements of claiming ESA, they should go to their GP and have him/her write a letter explaining the medical reasons why that the patient/claimant should not be expected to ..........

ArtoDeeto

anonymousx3 wrote: »

gets sanctioned due to consecutive error !

What is a consecutive error???

john539

Thomas_Hardy wrote: »

Stop worrying - if you do the best you can, you will not be sanctioned. If you are due to attend a WFI and realise you cannot, contact your advisor and ask if you can have the appt by phone. Alternatively, would a taxi help you to get there? They may be able to fund one for you.

Sanctions are not usually applied to those on ESA unless they are wilfully refusing to engage with the WRAG.

That doesn't stop people worrying, doesn't stop them being threatened, worrying about being threatened, worrying about losing benefits & not being able to pay bills, then worrying about having to appeal & fight the system.

bigboybrother

john539 wrote: »

That doesn't stop people worrying, doesn't stop them being threatened, worrying about being threatened, worrying about losing benefits & not being able to pay bills, then worrying about having to appeal & fight the system.

Well if they obeyed every instruction to the letter there would be no need to worry about a sanction.