Sanctions

seven-day-weekend

For what reason may they not be able to get to work on time (other than sickness/disability)? I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. !

anonymousx3

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

For what reason may they not be able to get to work on time (other than sickness/disability)? I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. !

Perhaps due to motivational or depressive reasons. It's easy enough to say "pull yourself up by the bootstraps", but without motivation not even a tug will emerge. A lack of motivation could be for myriad reasons, e.g. depression that has gone undiagnosed.

seven-day-weekend

anonymousx3 wrote: »

Perhaps due to motivational or depressive reasons. It's easy enough to say "pull yourself up by the bootstraps", but without motivation not even a tug will emerge. A lack of motivation could be for myriad reasons, e.g. depression that has gone undiagnosed.

I know about depression and the lack of motivation that goes with it, my husband had to give his job up because of depression in 1990 (later returned after about two years).

But he was ill, so anyone like this should not be claiming Jobseekers' Allowance as they are not fit for work.

If someone is so lacking in motivation that they will risk a sanction, then maybe they need to see a Doctor.

I repeat, if they are fit for work, they should be expected to get there in time.

guilds

bigboybrother wrote: »

Are you OK?

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Yes thank you, I am more worried about you at the moment, the amount of accounts/ identities you have on this site is worrying, you are a total waste of bandwidth

Morlock

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

I know about depression and the lack of motivation that goes with it, my husband had to give his job up because of depression in 1990 (later returned after about two years).

But he was ill, so anyone like this should not be claiming Jobseekers' Allowance as they are not fit for work.

If someone is so lacking in motivation that they will risk a sanction, then maybe they need to see a Doctor.

I repeat, if they are fit for work, they should be expected to get there in time.

But it isn't just JSA claimants who are sanctioned, thousands of people who are ill and claiming ESA, possibly suffering from depression among other illnesses, are being sanctioned every year. Would your husband have easily coped with attending a compulsory, regular work programme, putting him under pressure to get better and return to work asap?

seven-day-weekend

Morlock wrote: »

But it isn't just JSA claimants who are sanctioned, thousands of people who are ill and claiming ESA, possibly suffering from depression among other illnesses, are being sanctioned every year. Would your husband have easily coped with attending a compulsory, regular work programme, putting him under pressure to get better and return to work asap?

It depends what he would have to do. He could have managed a meeting, under certain circumstances, although it would have caused him stress and anxiety. The medicals caused this too, but that is no reason not to have them.

If he had been pressurised into returning to teaching, that would definitely have made him worse and he would be too ill to attend a meeting. But surely being too ill would not result in a sanction? Surely it's if you just don't turn up and offer no explanation, or fail to turn up on time ?

bigboybrother

guilds wrote: »

Yes thank you, I am more worried about you at the moment, the amount of accounts/ identities you have on this site is worrying, you are a total waste of bandwidth

This is getting silly now.

I only have one account/identity - mine! What makes you come to the conclusion that I am some sort of serial poster?

Am I? Seemingly that comment is at odds to the actual number of posters that I have helped!

If you have nothing constructive to say on this particular thread, just go and disappear elsewhere.

Dunroamin

anonymousx3 wrote: »

Perhaps due to motivational or depressive reasons. It's easy enough to say "pull yourself up by the bootstraps", but without motivation not even a tug will emerge. A lack of motivation could be for myriad reasons, e.g. depression that has gone undiagnosed.

Surely the point of sanctions is to offer a pretty strong motivation?

donnajunkie

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

It depends what he would have to do. He could have managed a meeting, under certain circumstances, although it would have caused him stress and anxiety. The medicals caused this too, but that is no reason not to have them.

If he had been pressurised into returning to teaching, that would definitely have made him worse and he would be too ill to attend a meeting. But surely being too ill would not result in a sanction? Surely it's if you just don't turn up and offer no explanation, or fail to turn up on time ?

failing to do what they deem as reasonable can result in a sanction.

donnajunkie

Dunroamin wrote: »

Surely the point of sanctions is to offer a pretty strong motivation?

they are to punish people and to save money. people dont like losing 1 days money so sanctions that last for 1 day would be suitable from a motivational point of view if that was the purpose of sanctions.