What happens if you don't buy a ticket and aren't offered one by a guard?

Stigy

Quentin wrote: »

Of course the TOC are being greedy trying to prevent Joe Bloggs selling his unwanted ticket.

The TOC has been paid the correct fare already when Bloggs bought the ticket. They were happy with that.

For whatever reason he cannot use the ticket, so sells it on Gumtree. The TOC don't lose anything when a.n. other actually uses the ticket.

Just the same as when I buy 6 tickets for unnamed passengers in a group, and the group content changes prior to the journey taking place! Different people travel than the tickets were bought for.

Only jobsworths could refer to it as "fare evasion"!

Okay, so what's to say the ticket hasn't been used already (TOC gets one fare for two journeys.....)? I'll tell you. Nothing. It's all about the TOC protecting its revenue, which, theyd be stupid not to do, surely? Only somebody who doesn't understand the industry and/or the law reverts to such insults as 'jobsworth'. Byelaws specifically are in place for situations such as this, as is the Regulation of Railways Act in certain cases. I think this thread has run it's course now.

geordie_taxi

Stigy wrote: »

Okay, so what's to say the ticket hasn't been used already (TOC gets one fare for two journeys.....)? I'll tell you. Nothing.

You're wrong there and for somebody that apparently should be listened too you should know better . The majority of said offending contraband is of the Advance ticket type, which by there nature can only be used the once ie on a certain date and train. Other ticket types can be exchanged for a refund even with a admin charge it's still cost effective/less hassle than reselling yourself. So it's all about fare exploitation, fat cat train companies ripping off passengers.

Stigy wrote: »

I think this thread has run it's course now.

lol about 3 pages ago

Stigy

geordie_taxi wrote: »

You're wrong there and for somebody that apparently should be listened too you should know better . The majority of said offending contraband is of the Advance ticket type, which by there nature can only be used the once ie on a certain date and train. Other ticket types can be exchanged for a refund even with a admin charge it's still cost effective/less hassle than reselling yourself. So it's all about fare exploitation, fat cat train companies ripping off passengers.



lol about 3 pages ago

You're referring to your experience of selling tickets there, which is done online. Indeed some tickets can only possibly be used once, but many tickets are bought from touts at stations on a much much wider scale. Therefore what I state still stands and is correct. Regardless of if fare evasion can be proved, it is an offence to transfer a ticket. It's an argument you just can't win. I'd certainly be interested in hearing what source states the majority of tickets sold other than by the TOC or an agent etc are advanced tickets.

I think I should also touch on the fact that as with most things, our fantastic Government have a large input on the fares, so much so that the greedy TOC pocket 20% of each ticket sold.

viscachaz

When I'm getting on at an unmanned station, the only ticket machine is out of order, and the ticket inspector isn't on the train, I just pay at the barriers at the other end.

Jeff_Bridges_hair

goater78 wrote: »

Unfortunately its a fact of life that there are many people out there who think just because someone can write with authority it means that what they say is true.

You say he's highly respected on this other rail forum. All I think this proves is that there are a lot of very gullible people on that forum

Prove him wrong then. Its a pretty simple thing to do yet again, the silence from both you and GT is deafening. And speaks volumes.

GT, I'm no m, you know full well and all of a sudden you have reverted back to your text type. What an odd way to act.

geordie_taxi

Stigy wrote: »

You're referring to your experience of selling tickets there

well that one massive assumption on your part and like the rest of your posts totally incorrect, I have never stated that I have ever sold any tickets on any website. I have better legal ways to get my money back with all unwanted tickets.

Stigy wrote: »

but many tickets are bought from touts at stations on a much much wider scale. Therefore what I state still stands and is correct.

Smoke and mirrors to hide your incorrect statement again, Quentins posted was about gumtree and you knew it and to save face after making such a howler with advance tickets, you added the bit about touts at stations, nice try :T

Stigy wrote: »

Regardless of if fare evasion can be proved, it is an offence to transfer a ticket. It's an argument you just can't win.

it the law governor, famous last words of parking attendants perhaps Quentin did have the right name for people who fall back on this old chestnut to win an arguement.

Stigy wrote: »

I'd certainly be interested in hearing what source states the majority of tickets sold other than by the TOC or an agent etc are advanced tickets.

a quick search of those offending website(s) shows that the majority of the tickets up for sale are of the advance type.

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

Prove him wrong then. Its a pretty simple thing to do yet again, the silence from both you and GT is deafening. And speaks volumes.

i proved him wrong in post #50 and u agreed wif me

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

GT, you're right his last sentence was a bit rubbish

funny old fing didnt goater said his post was rubbish and u're quoted saying yes its a bit rubbish u probbably wont accept it and will post something stating that. if u do ill let u av the last word