What happens if you don't buy a ticket and aren't offered one by a guard?

yt83

just curious

dzug1

One answer is he <<should>> have waited in the queue and got the next train

Another is he should have paid or at least attempted to pay at his destination and not 'jumped over the fence'

There's no real 'right' answer

geordie_taxi

a) If no barriers. then go to the ticket office or if present any staff with ability to sell tickets and buy a ticket. if u fail to do this u will get done for been a fare dodger. if there isnt any ticket office (closed) or staff to sell a ticket. Then its down to ur moral standards, if u feel bad about not paying then send some money to the train companies head office im sure they will use the money well

b) barriers. then there must be a facility to purchase tickets either via a ticket office normally on the platforms or staff at the barrier with the ability to sell tickets. if there isnt any of the above then demand that the bloke on the barrier let u thru as false imprisonment is against the law

Naf

He should have either waited at his departure station to purchase a ticket, or actively gone to find the conductor to purchase a ticket. These are the two 'right' answers.

geordie_taxi

Naf wrote: »

He should have either waited at his departure station to purchase a ticket

why should u if ur allowed to purchase tickets on the train in accordance with the national rail conditions of carriage

Naf wrote: »

or actively gone to find the conductor to purchase a ticket.

wot happens if its a busy commuter train and u cant get thru the train to the conductor and at the terminal/intermediate station where u get off the conductor is to busy doing train safety things to sell u a ticket?

Naf wrote: »

These are the two 'right' answers.

perhaps it not as black and white as u make it out to be

Jeff_Bridges_hair

Jesus wept.

Naf

geordie_taxi wrote: »

why should u if ur allowed to purchase tickets on the train in accordance with the national rail conditions of carriage



wot happens if its a busy commuter train and u cant get thru the train to the conductor and at the terminal/intermediate station where u get off the conductor is to busy doing train safety things to sell u a ticket?



perhaps it not as black and white as u make it out to be

It's pretty black and white that its illegal to travel without a ticket, so go figure.

Stigy

geordie_taxi wrote: »

why should u if ur allowed to purchase tickets on the train in accordance conditions of carriage?

You're only allowed to buy on the train depending on the TOC's policy (eg if they operate Penalty Fares etc), if there's no facilities to buy a ticket, be it due to the area (Some companies let you buy on board as the majority of their stations don't have ticket offices or machines), or if the facilities are out of use etc. long queues are a credible reason to buy on board, especially if staff told you to do so, but said staff normally tell their control room who would advise subsequent staff of the situation. If staff didn't let you through, the size of the queue determines if its accents me to make you wait, and there are ways staff can find out exactly how long said queue was st any given time.

Jumping over a fence suggests there were staffed barriers, therefore he should have gone there, instead he completely his fare evasion and comitted a further offence to boot (jumping the fence would be contrary to Byelaw 9(2) and would aid the TOC if they caught him Nd wanted to Perdue a dare evasion charge.)

rev_henry

20 mins queue is way over the time that you can reasonably be expected to wait (passenger focus will have the exact details), so it was ok to board the train without, but he should have bought at destination.

geordie_taxi

Naf wrote: »

It's pretty black and white that its illegal to travel without a ticket, so go figure.

from the conditions of carriages

If you travel in a train
(a) without a ticket; or
(b) the circumstances described in Conditions 10, 11, 12, 18, 19, 22, 30, 35 and 39
apply;
you will be liable to pay the full single fare or full return fare or, if appropriate, a Penalty
Fare (see Condition 4) for your journey. You will not be entitled to any discounts or special
terms unless either:
(i) at the station where you started your journey, there was no ticket office open
and
there were no self- service ticket machines or no self-service ticket machines
were in full working order
and
in Penalty Fares areas you bought a Permit to Travel unless no Permit to Travel
issuing machine was in full working order
OR
(ii) the notices and other publications issued by the Train Company in whose train you
are travelling indicate that you can buy tickets in that train.

oh dear im sorry to correct u but it seems that u can travel by train without a ticket and its not illegal.

Jeff_Bridges_hair

rev_henry wrote: »

20 mins queue is way over the time that you can reasonably be expected to wait (passenger focus will have the exact details), so it was ok to board the train without, but he should have bought at destination.

But how did they know the queues would be 20 minutes or did they just pluck the figure out of thin air?

And the reasonable amount of time to wait is merely a suggestion and is not set in stone as a direct clause for entering a train without a valid ticket.