Is solar PV worth it?

The_Green_Man_2

EricMears wrote: »

Anyone is free to post what they want. I am (as is everyone else) equally free to remind the group that the OP specifically stated that he was only interested in the financial implications.

That's fine then. You're the one trying to stop people posting what they want, not me.

I believe you were accusing me of being a 'troll', now you're saying people can post what they want.

EricMears wrote: »

It's even easier to accuse someone of being a troll when they ignore the subject and continue to post irrelevant & inaccurate points.

I'm glad that you are changing your mind. That's what debates are all about.

spgsc531

The_Green_Man wrote: »

I don't change my posts except to correct spellings or punctuation or to add further information.

You seem to be trying to avoid the question: "Please provide a quote from that text where they discuss the morals of FIT payments."(1)

But then you always do.

(1) I just thought you might actually read and find it yourself.

It really is difficult to miss:

"
PV or not PV?

James Page outlines his concerns regarding the effects of some recent criticisms of solar PV and feed-in tariffs. ......... "

You've been constantly ranting about ethics, but now seem to be using the word morals. Do you understand the difference?

Do you find it helpful that I found a website called Ethical Consumer endorsing a Buyers Guide of Solar Panels in light of the feed in tariff scheme for you?

The_Green_Man_2

spgsc531 wrote: »

(1) I just thought you might actually read and find it yourself.

It really is difficult to miss:

"
PV or not PV?

James Page outlines his concerns regarding the effects of some recent criticisms of solar PV and feed-in tariffs. ......... "

You've been constantly ranting about ethics, but now seem to be using the word morals. Do you understand the difference?

Do you find it helpful that I found a website called Ethical Consumer endorsing a Buyers Guide of Solar Panels in light of the feed in tariff scheme for you?

Nope another fail.

You've quoted the heading, not the actual body of the report where it discusses the morals of FIT payments.

Come on, it's your report yet you can't even find it to bolster your own argument.

EricMears

The_Green_Man wrote: »

That's fine then. You're the one trying to stop people posting what they want, not me.

I believe you were accusing me of being a 'troll', now you're saying people can post what they want.

I'm glad that you are changing your mind. That's what debates are all about.

I'm not "changing my mind". I have never said anyone can't post on a particular subject. I just happen to feel it's plain bad manners to post something that isn't relevant to the question asked.

The_Green_Man_2

EricMears wrote: »

I'm not "changing my mind". I have never said anyone can't post on a particular subject. I just happen to feel it's plain bad manners to post something that isn't relevant to the question asked.

'Bad manners' is a world away from 'troll' so you must be changing your mind. Who are you to decide what is relevant or not in a discussion? I ask again, who put you in charge?

EricMears

The_Green_Man wrote: »

'Bad manners' is a world away from 'troll' so you must be changing your mind. Who are you to decide what is relevant or not in a discussion? I ask again, who put you in charge?

Pointing out irrelevancies doesn't require one to be 'in charge'.

And being a troll is indeed just one example of bad manners.

The_Green_Man_2

The_Green_Man wrote: »

Nope another fail.

You've quoted the heading, not the actual body of the report where it discusses the morals of FIT payments.

Come on, it's your report yet you can't even find it to bolster your own argument.

No response. Clearly the text of the report didn't actually discuss the ethics of FiT payments at all.

spgsc531

The_Green_Man wrote: »

No response. Clearly the text of the report didn't actually discuss the ethics of FiT payments at all.

Is it really lost on you that an Organisation called Ethical Consumer:

http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/buyersguides/energy/solarpvpanels.aspx

is endorsing a Buyers Guide for Solar panels "in light of the feed-in tariff scheme"?

Please take your constant rants of 'ethics' to them...

The_Green_Man_2

spgsc531 wrote: »

Is it really lost on you that an Organisation called Ethical Consumer:

http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/buyersguides/energy/solarpvpanels.aspx

is endorsing a Buyers Guide for Solar panels "in light of the feed-in tariff scheme"?

Please take your constant rants of 'ethics' to them...

And still no link to the discussion about the ethics of FIT payments.

Priceless! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Martyn1981

spgsc531 wrote: »

Is it really lost on you that an Organisation called Ethical Consumer:

http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/buyersguides/energy/solarpvpanels.aspx

is endorsing a Buyers Guide for Solar panels "in light of the feed-in tariff scheme"?

Please take your constant rants of 'ethics' to them...

Thanks for that link, I just read the discussion about the ethics of FIT payments.

The bit however that jumped out at me was this:

"Monbiot’s first criticism is that the economies of scale are lost in domestic PV. In fact PV lends itself admirably to small installations. The panels used are the same as in large systems, and no less efficient. Transmission losses are actually lower.

More importantly there are also behavioural benefits that arise from generating electricity at the domestic level. About half the electricity used by householders will be ‘free’ – once the panels are installed – focussing minds on the high prices being paid for the other half, hence reducing demand. People with apple trees hate buying apples, and readers of the Sunday Times are none too keen to pay for internet access, which was previously free. This consumer pressure to reduce fossil fuel consumption would not occur if PV were deployed in centralised ‘solar farms’ (whether or not controlled by oligopolists like British Gas and npower) and the electricity generated sold at standard market prices."

I always assumed that this was really obvious each and every time I tried to explain it to Cardew, but I just hadn't realised how many other people had tried before me.

Mart.