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cargiant - intrested but unsure
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Just to add I have bought one ex motability car, a toyota carina it was the best car in terms of value and reliabilty I have owned, had it for 6 years from a year old
By virtue of the fact you're talking about a Carina that means that was quite some time ago now.
A lot of the problems have been getting worse in the last 10 years or so, because of more and more people exploiting the system.0 -
Your wife looks after hers therefore EVERYBODY looks after theirs.
Brilliant. Utterly Brilliant.
So you've seen some that aren't looked after and by your initial definition they are all chav chariots that have been driven everywhere in first gear?
Do me a favour. There were several others in the this thread that also took issue with your irresponsible sweeping statement.Trust me on this - the motor trade views motability cars with suspicion, and rightly so. Some are looked after, a lot arent.
Fine, so, as I said, some are ok, some aren't... the same as any used car!
To say they are all disasters waiting to happen just isn't right and doesn't help the OP.I'll give you a very relevant example - i've underwritten an 05 Freelander TDI in a main dealers local to me, and they are selling the customer a 'fresh off motability' car - an early return as it happens. The dealer rang me to say the car wouldnt be in for a fortnight as the motability car had arrived - it needed all four alloys refurbed, the two bumpers painted due to scuff, a bad ding on a door repaired, theres trim broken inside, theres trim missing inside, the seats are badly stained...
... now Mr Customer thinks its delayed because of the weather and no doubt when he gets it he will have no idea that it took £££'s of effort to give it that factory fresh 'nursed like a baby' look.:eek: and of course it has a full service history to back up how well its been cared for.
So... like any used car then?
Also, thought you were out of the motor trade? You claimed so last week...So no, its not rubbish. There are good ones, but it would be very wrong to believe - as the op originally stated - that his last car was a motability car therefore by default he had been "lucky and its was a former Motability car so I knew that it wouldn't of been driven hard and it would of been taken care of"
Totally agree. But It would also be wrong, as you stated, that they are all a bag of nails. Why can't you just admit that?
You do post some helpful stuff Paul or Pglic1 or motorguy but at the same time you do post mis information (like the rubbish about MOT and window damage last week where you also abused the OP when it was you that was in the wrong) and generalisations. I don't know why you spoil the help you do give with stuff like this.What if there was no such thing as a rhetorical question?0 -
Cityauctiongroup.
68 motability cars. Only 10% are grade A cars.
http://www.cityauctiongroup.com/stock/vehicle-search.aspx?vendor=motability&Page=1
What about this Grade D car. Just SIX MONTHS OLD and has been ploughed through...
http://www.cityauctiongroup.com/stock/vehicle-detail.aspx?ref=089084096055062059060
No doubt full service history though, and with a bit of refurbishment will be on a Peugeot dealers forecourt this time next month and being sold as 'nursed like a baby'. :eek:
How about all the cars from Ford retail?
Same figures for cat A cars, many many Cat D cars so that would make motability no different to any other used car - Based on your own examples!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.cityauctiongroup.com/stock/vehicle-search.aspx?vendor=fordretail&Page=1What if there was no such thing as a rhetorical question?0 -
Again, to reiterate, i am not saying EVERY motability car is neglected, however it would be wrong to believe that they are all nursed like kittens by little old ladies.
Pretty much all will have had their full quota of services and warranty work done, however more often that you would think the cars are otherwise neglected so they often have panel damage, bumper scuffs, wheels scuffs, interior trim scuffed and / or lost, etc, etc.
The motor trade are generally very jumpy about motability cars now particularly if they have to buy sight unseen, which if you buy direct from motability very often you have to.
NOW, the other side of that is that by the time it ends up on the forecourt of your main dealer, it will have been totally refurbished. It WILL look like the day it left the showroom, it WILL look like its been nursed like a baby however this very often has more to do with the refurbishment skills of the garage than how the previous owner treated it. And of course, this is compounded by the fact that it suits the salesmen to maintain the illusion that the car has come in perfect in the first place.
So, i'm just saying, if you're looking at a motability car, dont ASSUME its been looked after any better than say a lease car or a hire car. Build your opinion on that starting point, THEN decide if its really what it says its is.0 -
How about all the cars from Ford retail?
Same figures for cat A cars, many many Cat D cars so that would make motability no different to any other used car - Based on your own examples!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.cityauctiongroup.com/stock/vehicle-search.aspx?vendor=fordretail&Page=1
Yes. Totally agree.
You're missing my point - which i will repeat - again.
Relative to the O/P's statement
it was a former Motability car so I knew that it wouldn't of been driven hard and it would of been taken care of .
I said - This is wrong - motability cars TEND to get the minimum of care and are generally unloved by their owners.0 -
So you've seen some that aren't looked after and by your initial definition they are all chav chariots that have been driven everywhere in first gear?
Why are you mis quoting me? My first statement was "Motability cars tend to get the minimum of care and are generally unloved by their owners."
Do me a favour. There were several others in the this thread that also took issue with your irresponsible sweeping statement.
Hows it irresponsible????
Fine, so, as I said, some are ok, some aren't... the same as any used car!
Agreed. I havent disagreed with you anywhere you have said that. I am merely 'correcting' the assumption that ALL motability cars are nursed from new - you seem to want to wade in there with a point that I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH!!!!
To say they are all disasters waiting to happen just isn't right and doesn't help the OP.
Can you show me where i said that? Why are you misquoting me?
Also, the O/P ISNT looking at an ex motabilty car - perhaps you should READ THE THREAD instead of extracting out bits you can start an argument about?
So... like any used car then?
Also, thought you were out of the motor trade? You claimed so last week...
Yes, exactly like any other used car. Why arent you getting that i'm not disagreeing with that? I'm disagreeing with the belief they are ALL well looked after.
Totally agree. But It would also be wrong, as you stated, that they are all a bag of nails. Why can't you just admit that?
Can you show me where i said motability cars are "all a bag of nails"? Why are you misquoting me?
You do post some helpful stuff Paul or Pglic1 or motorguy but at the same time you do post mis information (like the rubbish about MOT and window damage last week where you also abused the OP when it was you that was in the wrong) and generalisations. I don't know why you spoil the help you do give with stuff like this.
I didnt 'abuse' the O/P. They spotted the mark and 'assumed' it was a smudge. As soon as they phoned the dealer the dealer sorted it out. I thought that was an example of good customer service and fair play to the dealer. Your beef was that you thought the "dubious" dealer "hoped the problem was going to go away" - yes, because that happens a lot with scratches. :rofl:
I wasnt 'in the wrong' - i was merely giving a viewpoint that the dealer had sorted it out as soon as they were made aware. That was a Good Thing. They even sent someone out to the customer to save them coming back with the car. How was that bad customer service?0 -
Motorguy is absolutely right, i've collected dozens of lorry loads of ex motobility cars and returned back to the makers chosen refurb site.
Conditions varied widely, some were very good and obviously cared for and appreciated by their users, some were quite frankly appalling they stank with dubious heavy stains in the seats and interiors, and scratched and battered bodywork, if parked long enough things actually started to grow inside.
Couple of days in the refurb centre and most of these rough cars looked quite acceptable again, wouldn't want to see the results of a forensic swab of the drivers seat base or carpets though.
The best cars didn't need or get refurbed, the dealer would already have sold them on.
OP best of luck with the 7, lovely car but needs careful selection and i too would prefer to get a proper BMW approved used warranty for at least the first year, they are very complicated.0 -
This is wrong - motability cars TEND to get the minimum of care and are generally unloved by their owners.
Clearly, that isn't true. It is purely oyur opinion, not a fact. You shouldn't present opinion as facts.
Your own links have shown that a Motability car is no different to any used car. That was the only point I was making. The OP likes a motability car, there is no reason not to buy one if they do their checks.
This is what I mean by you putting out good advice (don't just take it that the car will be great) with poor conjecture (they are generally unloved). Do you understand?
As for the 'smudge' you railed at the OP for not noticing at the time and claimed it was allt heir own fault, they should have seen it and negociated and they wouldn't get anywhere with the dealer and the mark wouldn't be an MOT failure.
However:
- If they should have noticed then the dealer should have noticed and fixed it
Thankfully the OP didn't take your advice and went back
The dealer got caught out - it was poor service initially. The OP should never have had to go back int he first place if the service was good.
It would be an MOT failure.
Take off the dealer tinted glasses Paul (especially having claimed you aren't a dealer last week and seem to be flogging cars this week). It doesn't help.
Ta.What if there was no such thing as a rhetorical question?0 -
Clearly, that isn't true. It is purely oyur opinion, not a fact. You shouldn't present opinion as facts.
Have you some sort of reading issue? WHY did you remove the word TEND. TEND as in OFTEN not ALWAYS - look it up if you have trouble with it
Your own links have shown that a Motability car is no different to any used car. That was the only point I was making. The OP likes a motability car, there is no reason not to buy one if they do their checks.
For the love of the baby jesus, the O/P ISNT looking at a motability car. They are looking at a 2009 BMW 730D and it ISNT ex motability. Please read the thread.
This is what I mean by you putting out good advice (don't just take it that the car will be great) with poor conjecture (they are generally unloved). Do you understand?
They are generally unloved.
As for the 'smudge' you railed at the OP for not noticing at the time and claimed it was allt heir own fault, they should have seen it and negociated and they wouldn't get anywhere with the dealer and the mark wouldn't be an MOT failure.
Again, PLEASE READ THE THREAD - i didnt START commenting until after they said the dealer was sorting it!!!!! :rotfl: And i said 'fair play to the dealer for sorting this out'
However:
- If they should have noticed then the dealer should have noticed and fixed it
Thankfully the OP didn't take your advice and went back
The dealer got caught out - it was poor service initially. The OP should never have had to go back int he first place if the service was good.
It would be an MOT failure.
Take off the dealer tinted glasses Paul (especially having claimed you aren't a dealer last week and seem to be flogging cars this week). It doesn't help.
Ta.
Seriously??? Re-read the thread - my first comment was #36 immediately after the customer said they'd rang the dealer and he was sending someone out (#35) - how is that possibly me advising them not to go back to the dealer????
For clarification, i've been motor trading part time for 20+ years, on and off. I was at it full time there for a couple of years, selling 20-25 cars a month, I now only sell cars part time - down to 2 or 3 a month. HTH.0 -
gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »Motorguy is absolutely right, i've collected dozens of lorry loads of ex motobility cars and returned back to the makers chosen refurb site.
Conditions varied widely, some were very good and obviously cared for and appreciated by their users, some were quite frankly appalling they stank with dubious heavy stains in the seats and interiors, and scratched and battered bodywork, if parked long enough things actually started to grow inside.
Couple of days in the refurb centre and most of these rough cars looked quite acceptable again, wouldn't want to see the results of a forensic swab of the drivers seat base or carpets though.
The best cars didn't need or get refurbed, the dealer would already have sold them on.
Thank you. :beer:gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »
OP best of luck with the 7, lovely car but needs careful selection and i too would prefer to get a proper BMW approved used warranty for at least the first year, they are very complicated.
Yes, totally behind you with that too - would love to be getting one myself. Terrific value at that sort of price. :T0
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