Fed up with whinging speeders ?

amcluesent

Speed scamera partnerships need to keep the tax incoming rolling in to pay for the staff and their pensions. Inevitably as the bureaucracy expands more and more income from 'speeding' tickets is required and so ever more devious means of tricking the motorist are employed -

a) Dual carriageways with 60-50-40-Scamera-60 zones in a few hundred yards
b) Hidden and deliberately confusing speed signs
c) Hidden scameras
d) Absurdly low speed limits on good roads to 'temp' people into going at the national limit, with a scamera at the end of a downhill straight
e) Positioning scameras based on maximising tax yield, ignoring actual danger of the road and the casualties

It's just another tax raising scam from town hall numpties needing to feather bed their pension!

FACT - road casualties are caused by scameras and the number of deaths is increasing again due to roads policing being abandoned so genuinely bad drivers are free to cause mahem.

cordial

Yes, I am.

arabellacatpig_2

It's a speed LIMIT....Not a TARGET!

Markyt

arabellacatpig wrote: »

It's a speed LIMIT....Not a TARGET!

My rev limiter is both.

before_hollywood

oldbill1969 wrote: »

A couple of points to respond to, I don't think you will find anyone moaning at someone for going 30.1 mph, as for do gooders I suppose you mean those who obey the laws of the land, is that a bad thing to have people respecting laws.
As for saying wow who cares if you drive at 35mph in a 30 mph area, the person who gets knocked down will probably care a lot.
I appreciate that you don't care about going slightly over the limit, but I would be interested to know what your reaction would be for getting caught doing so.
Why make yourself an easy target ?

your sense of perspective is a little bit out i think, is my 35 mph the same as someone who goes out robbing people? or premeditates a murder? or messes with kids or anything like that? no nothing like- yet the police can find people and money to sit at the side of the road and waste time yet they can't find money and resources to fight real crime.
a couple of years ago my mate got assaulted by a drunk and we spent most of the night in hospital (he was nearly blinded in that eye), we made a statement, was the offender ever caught? no
a stupid little chav tried to assault me in my car while i was a traffic lights, jumped on the car and eventually kicked my wing in- they hung round in the same place every night and i told the police this- did they do anything? course not.

try living in the real world mate, if you are going to punish drivers punish ones who make an absolute mockery of the law, the ones that drink and drive, take drugs and drive, drive when banned, drive without insurance, there are plenty of those to go out and find, except they don't come so quietly and are a lot nastier pieces of work than someone like me :rolleyes:

cordial

before_hollywood wrote: »

try living in the real world mate, if you are going to punish drivers punish ones who make an absolute mockery of the law, the ones that drink and drive, take drugs and drive, drive when banned, drive without insurance, there are plenty of those to go out and find, except they don't come so quietly and are a lot nastier pieces of work than someone like me :rolleyes:

Driving habitually and casually above the speed limit is exactly that. Hopefully, there's a good chance that people who do so will indeed end up banned.... you know - the kind you dislike so much.

The OP possibly didn't realise how beset MSE is with the "whingeing tendency" - the kind who think that they are above the law or that they are a one person, self-elected Traffic Commissioner.

Mark7799

oldbill1969 wrote: »

As for saying wow who cares if you drive at 35mph in a 30 mph area, the person who gets knocked down will probably care a lot.
I appreciate that you don't care about going slightly over the limit, but I would be interested to know what your reaction would be for getting caught doing so.
Why make yourself an easy target ?

The 30mph is an arbitrary speed limit set by the Government. On this logic, would the person being hit be quite happy if the driver was doing 28mph instead?

tony8_2

Interesting debate this.

It is true that cars are far more safe today than they were years ago. However, a car, lorry, van, bus or coach is only as safe as THE NUT BEHIND THE STEERING WHEEL.

Remember, it is far better to be late in this world than early in the next.

mkoprulu

What an interesting read! :rolleyes: I've just gone through all posts in this thread and came into conclusion that there will always be two sides in this debate regardless of the speeding laws being logical or stupid.

I have to say i'm in the group that thinks the latter. This is not to say i'm happily breaking the speed limits, if i ever do.

What i would like to draw attention to is the lack of enforcement by actual human factor, the police, to many driving related offences.

Cameras cannot judge dangerous driving purely by the speed of the vehicle, regardless of the speed limits being logical or not.

Being a motorcyclist as well as a car driver, i'm more aware of the hazards faced in the roads than the average car driver due to the fragile nature of being on two wheels, and i have to say people exceeding the speed limits are the least of my worries when thinking about safety.

Do i whinge when i get caught speeding? Yes, but i end up paying anyway, so it's a personal choice whether to stand up for what you believe is right and defend yourself or just accept laws whether they have any sense in them or not.

I only got caught once by a camera in a 30mph zone doing 34. Was it a dangerous situation? No

Did i get involved in other dangerous situations before and after? Yes

Do i speed when it's safe to do so? Yes, but i can't tell how fast or whether i did break the law doing so or not, due to the risk of being prosecuted.

And funny thing is all of the dangerous situations i've been into - be it my fault or someone else's - none of them was because of speeding.

So, talking from own experience, within my own list of the road hazards, excessive speed is waaaaay down the list.

The day i would stop whinging would be the day i see all offences higher up the list being prosecuted properly, such as: tailgaiting, driving without attention, changing lanes without signalling and/or checking mirrors, extremely slow driving, running red lights, talking on the phone while driving, rubbernecking accidents, racing, etc...

Why has noone brought up the example of German Autobahns? They have areas where they don't have speed limits. Are they more dangerous than our motorways? No

Is this because of people driving sensibly and responsibly? Yes

I rest my case.

skim

mkoprulu wrote: »

What an interesting read! :rolleyes: I've just gone through all posts in this thread and came into conclusion that there will always be two sides in this debate regardless of the speeding laws being logical or stupid.

I have to say i'm in the group that thinks the latter. This is not to say i'm happily breaking the speed limits, if i ever do.

What i would like to draw attention to is the lack of enforcement by actual human factor, the police, to many driving related offences.

Cameras cannot judge dangerous driving purely by the speed of the vehicle, regardless of the speed limits being logical or not.

Being a motorcyclist as well as a car driver, i'm more aware of the hazards faced in the roads than the average car driver due to the fragile nature of being on two wheels, and i have to say people exceeding the speed limits are the least of my worries when thinking about safety.

Do i whinge when i get caught speeding? Yes, but i end up paying anyway, so it's a personal choice whether to stand up for what you believe is right and defend yourself or just accept laws whether they have any sense in them or not.

I only got caught once by a camera in a 30mph zone doing 34. Was it a dangerous situation? No

Did i get involved in other dangerous situations before and after? Yes

Do i speed when it's safe to do so? Yes, but i can't tell how fast or whether i did break the law doing so or not, due to the risk of being prosecuted.

And funny thing is all of the dangerous situations i've been into - be it my fault or someone else's - none of them was because of speeding.

So, talking from own experience, within my own list of the road hazards, excessive speed is waaaaay down the list.

The day i would stop whinging would be the day i see all offences higher up the list being prosecuted properly, such as: tailgaiting, driving without attention, changing lanes without signalling and/or checking mirrors, extremely slow driving, running red lights, talking on the phone while driving, rubbernecking accidents, racing, etc...

Why has noone brought up the example of German Autobahns? They have areas where they don't have speed limits. Are they more dangerous than our motorways? No

Is this because of people driving sensibly and responsibly? Yes

I rest my case.

In contrast I couldn't be bothered to read any of it after the first page with OldBill spouting off with the holier than thou attitude.

In 22 years of driving I've had one speeding fine when i was 21.
I think some speed limits are a farce - 30mph in town when 20 is the absolute maximum & then 70mph on the motorway which is far too low.

Try & justify this - why is the A610 from Langley Mill to Nottingham now 40mph (dual carriageway) when it used to be 70mph. There have been no major accidents etc.