£75,000 care home cap - retrospective help!?

dzug1

SEE wrote: »

It still doesn't add up to £800 because the costs are spread across the entire nursing home. I would happily do all the above jobs for £800 per week and be a good companion too.

Well why don't you then? Instead of harping on about how other people should do things differently or for less money.

The sad fact is that scores of nursing homes have gone out of business in recent years because their owners could not make a profit on the fees they could charge

mumps

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

The other point is sorry I'm on my hobby horse now

When they reliquish helping families who have over the amount in savings, I have issues with this because who pays for it does not mean they do not have a "duty of care". I.e. to make sure the appropriate care is going into someone's home or their needs are being met elsewhere.

Sadly again this seems to have become the norm and Social Workers have become financial brokers for their clients, rather than concentrating on the actual care needed regardless of who pays for it.

I think this can be a difficult area, if I was paying for my own care I might feel that it is none of the Social Workers business but I agree that sometimes people might need that support.

mysterywoman10

mumps wrote: »

The care home owner also has to provide the building, either a big investment of their capital or more likely mortgage payments. Then registration costs, staff training, insurance. The list goes on and of course if it is a big home then all these things cost more.

One of my neighbors who works in Children's care has just set up a home for a small number. She is renting the property. It costs a lot more than £800 a week to keep a child in care so the income is higher.

I do wonder if smaller homes are the way to go, although it gets more complicated when nursing care is involved. Or more non profit making homes? The best one in our area is definiately a non profit making organisation.

A lot of Southern Cross's problems were caused by sheer greed by the original directors and negotiating ridiculously high rents for unsuitable buildings.

The one my Dad eventually ended up in was funded by a small investment consortium, who clearly were doing it for a return on their money. But it was down to the staff really being so good and that can make or break any care home.

mumps

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

One of my neighbors who works in Children's care has just set up a home for a small number. She is renting the property. It costs a lot more than £800 a week to keep a child in care so the income is higher.

I do wonder if smaller homes are the way to go, although it gets more complicated when nursing care is involved. Or more non profit making homes? The best one in our area is definiately a non profit making organisation.

A lot of Southern Cross's problems were caused by sheer greed by the original directors and negotiating ridiculously high rents for unsuitable buildings.

The one my Dad eventually ended up in was funded by a small investment consortium, who clearly were doing it for a return on their money. But it was down to the staff really being so good and that can make or break any care home.

Renting is possible but you tend to pay a premium, not unreasonable as home can have alot of wear and tear. You do get higher fees for some groups but tend to have tougher regulations so it is swings and roundabouts.

I think it is all down to staff, I have seen great homes in the public, non profit and for profit sectors and also homes in all sectors that are shall we say not so good. I think all you can do is see what feels comfortable and I agree small homes are generally a good thing but can make providing nursing care hard/expensive.