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Nice people thread part 8 - worth the wait
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a non-EU citizen now seems to be a byword for being harassed.
A sad reminder of how far this country has gone/is going in the wrong direction.
People should be valued for who and what they are.
Not where they were born.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Many countries don't allow dual nationalities and I have my parents still living there. When they die, the laws are very strict on what nationality you are with regards to taxation and inheritance.
I also don't see why I have to deny my heritage and my birth because I have chosen to live and work in this country. I am certainly proud of where I was born and grew up in. I don't feel the need to have a British passport although I feel constantly pushed into having one as being a non-EU citizen now seems to be a byword for being harassed.
I didn't say you should become a British citizen. Neither did I say you should be harassed.
But I do think it is presumptious to force someone into some kind of honourary British identity, when they don't want to become a British citizen.
It's really your choice, and should remain so.“The ideas of debtor and creditor as to what constitutes a good time never coincide.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Love Among the Chickens0 -
Is there / could there be a central register kept of multiple nationalities?
I'd have thought that would be inherently difficult to organise.
Any western EU passport would be useful (in the UK Irish passports fulfil many of the functions of the UK one but have few disadvantages - happy to be corrected if I'm wrong). Some developing world ones would be useful.
Some passports have limited use (not in the sense they banned you form going abroad but instead that some other countires may not accept them).
I thnk Israeli, Taiwanese and certain other passports might limit travel/work opportunities in a few countries but North Cypriot won't get you anywhere but Turkey. (again, happy to be corrected if I'm wrong).There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
Many countries don't allow dual nationalities and I have my parents still living there. When they die, the laws are very strict on what nationality you are with regards to taxation and inheritance.
I also don't see why I have to deny my heritage and my birth because I have chosen to live and work in this country. I am certainly proud of where I was born and grew up in. I don't feel the need to have a British passport although I feel constantly pushed into having one as being a non-EU citizen now seems to be a byword for being harassed.I didn't say you should become a British citizen. Neither did I say you should be harassed.
But I do think it is presumptious to force someone into some kind of honourary British identity, when they don't want to become a British citizen.
It's really your choice, and should remain so.
As far as I understand it, there would be no problem this end with Misskool getting dual nationality. It's her original country that won't let her do that. In which case, ILR seems the best option available to her, given her parents' circumstances, and I'm not surprised that's what she's gone for.
If ILR entitles her to stuff like free NHS treatment, then she should only have to prove her ILR to the hospital, not a bunch of other irrelevant stuff, and she should only have to prove it once, not every time she has a new appointment.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
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The EU's more famous but the EEA's more important. It's the free trade area the EU belongs to along with the other free trade area (EFTA) we founded then left when the siren call of the EEC wooed us to abandon it and upgrade".PasturesNew wrote: »No, as I understand it, even my dad was no longer eligible for a passport. He seems to have circumvented their system to get his replaced and received one, which surprised his sister when she visited and found out.
Anyway..... I could only afford a flat there - and the jobs market's dire apparently.
I've no idea what EEA means... I'll have to google that.
Edit: Googled it, doesn't seem to be so. Place I am on about has just "free trade in goods". Although not entirely free trade as there are limits on stuff if you pop over on a boat and want lots of fags.
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This diagram I've mentioned before shows some relationships.
but maybe not the place we're discussing.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
I didn't say you should become a British citizen. Neither did I say you should be harassed.
But I do think it is presumptious to force someone into some kind of honourary British identity, when they don't want to become a British citizen.
It's really your choice, and should remain so.
I have ILR (indefinite leave to remain/permanent residency). It entitles me to the same rights (including benefits) as a citizen as I am habitually resident in this country.
A returning British citizen (who isn't habitually resident) would not be entitled to free NHS non emergency care. So there is no need to be worried about my citizenship0 -
It may still be worth doing. I know of lots of people who have dual nationality. It used to be that an Irish passport was less likely to get you in trouble abroad. Scandinavian passports are generally the best in the world for visa-free trouble (I think Denmark's the top but what with cartoon politics that might have changed).
OH sees his Israeli passport as the opposite of all that - something which causes him far more trouble than almost any other passport, he reckons (-:
He's had joint nationality since birth, but his place of birth in his British passport is Tel Aviv, so he still gets a lot of the hassles-directed-at-Israelis.If ILR entitles her to stuff like free NHS treatment, then she should only have to prove her ILR to the hospital, not a bunch of other irrelevant stuff, and she should only have to prove it once, not every time she has a new appointment.
the trouble is, that ILR can be and is cancelled in a range of circumstances. It's "Indefinite Leave to Remain", but "indefinite" isn't the same as "permanent"....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
I meant to have a nice, early, restful night. I've not made it to bed early - entirely my mother's fault.
Isaac, my sister and Dad all got an early night (Isaac at 8.45pm, Dad and Lil by half 9), and then my mother and I started chatting, and went from pearls to Mary Renault, and then the issues relating to gay parenting and surrogacy, via the bedroom tax, and on to welfare reform, the idiocy of the TV licence tax lot, the propensity of Yossie-the-cat to eat rabbits and whether the moorhens are therefore at risk now they are nesting, and ended up on Schubert's songs, and Clara Schubert's songs, too.
And now it's no longer an early night!...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »I've never had a conversation with mine .... she wasn't the conversational sort. Nor dad. They were "parents who spoke to tell you what to do ... or to tell you what you did wrong ... or to voice disapproval..."
No conversations.
What about, I don't know - things you'd read, or seen together on TV? Or stuff at work, or friends, family, or neighbours?...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0
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