Nice people thread part 8 - worth the wait

zagubov

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

OH sees his Israeli passport as the opposite of all that - something which causes him far more trouble than almost any other passport, he reckons (-:

He's had joint nationality since birth, but his place of birth in his British passport is Tel Aviv, so he still gets a lot of the hassles-directed-at-Israelis.


the trouble is, that ILR can be and is cancelled in a range of circumstances. It's "Indefinite Leave to Remain", but "indefinite" isn't the same as "permanent".

Does that still happen if he just carries his British passport. It might not be wise to carry his Israeli one on certain journeys (but I expect he'll be well briefed on that). Would he still have the same problems if his passport said Jerusalem (or Jaffa) ? Are there any passsports that don't list countries of birth that he could use?

tomterm8

misskool wrote: »

I have ILR (indefinite leave to remain/permanent residency). It entitles me to the same rights (including benefits) as a citizen as I am habitually resident in this country.

A returning British citizen (who isn't habitually resident) would not be entitled to free NHS non emergency care. So there is no need to be worried about my citizenship

ILR certainly gives you (at present) most of the rights of a british citizen.

The problem with it is that it does not come with a right of abode in the same way as citizenship. We're pretty liberal in the UK, but for example in Australia someone can lose their ILR if they become incapable of supporting themselves via having a stroke or being unable to find work.

In international law there is no protection for someone with ILR; they can lose it at any time.

Being a citizen of europe is a weird mix; the reason they are treated differently than people with ILR is they have a right to use the NHS on the same terms as the a British citizen, according to treaty obligations. They also have a treaty right to live in the UK and work there. It goes the other way too: they can't stop a British citizen doing the same things.

misskool

zagubov wrote: »

I thnk Israeli, Taiwanese and certain other passports might limit travel/work opportunities in a few countries but North Cypriot won't get you anywhere but Turkey. (again, happy to be corrected if I'm wrong).

Interestingly, I was looking at the US visa waiver programme and the Taiwanese passport was included in there.

That's quite a handy one to have if you need to visit the US a lot.

Spirit_2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yeah, but that's just nonsense really.

A Torygraph or Daily Fail article doesn't really count as 'proof'.

Any abuse would have been vanishingly small in the big scheme of things.

As a civilised society we should treat first and ask questions later IMO.

Blue lighted into a Birmingham hospital some years ago and admitted to a coronary care ward I found myself in the bed next to a Jamaican lady. She needed a by pass and it was unaffordable at home. Her option was to visit a 'friend' in Birmingham and to become an emergency there. She told me that at the friends house there was a man staying who had been an emergency some weeks earlier but was recovering well and expected to be fit to fly home in a couple of months. I asked if she paid the friend a fee and she told me that she had sent money to come and that once she had had her operation her husband would send more to cover her convalescence.

I could understand her decision. To her it was a matter of life and death. I got a sense that the clinical staff knew what was going on.

The tricky bit is that the NHS was wide open to abuse and understandably clinical staff will always want to do what they can . At large hospital I know well - even a 1/4% is a couple of £million so checking on eligibility for elective treatment is normal.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Spirit wrote: »

. At large hospital I know well - even a 1/4% is a couple of £million so checking on eligibility for elective treatment is normal.

Sure, I can see it being worthwhile to check for genuinely elective stuff, cosmetic or what have you, but beyond that I'd much prefer we just treated people who are sick and in need of medical attention.

lostinrates

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Sure, I can see it being worthwhile to check for genuinely elective stuff, cosmetic or what have you, but beyond that I'd much prefer we just treated people who are sick and in need of medical attention.

Would be nice if we could afford to , but money is not unlimited?

We need some money left for when your poor liver catches up with the pitchers of alcohol!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

lostinrates wrote: »

We need some money left for when your poor liver catches up with the pitchers of alcohol!

Good point....

Although in my defence there was a bit of fruit juice in there as well. At least, there was in the first one, can't say I remember making the 2nd or 3rd....:D

That was a fun weekend but Dear Lord am I paying the price this morning.:o

I may be setting a personal record for worst hangover of the last decade.:(

lostinrates

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Good point....

Although in my defence there was a bit of fruit juice in there as well. At least, there was in the first one, can't say I remember making the 2nd or 3rd....:D

That was a fun weekend but Dear Lord am I paying the price this morning.:o

I may be setting a personal record for worst hangover of the last decade.:(

Be careful dear hamish, it hits harder after a period of clean living.

Fwiw I hate hangovers and never care to have one again. . Part of the reason we are steadier in in take now. It's not so much my health cannot take it, more that I don't want to!

It's a notable difference in dh from British peers really.....his friends think its hilarious that a night at the pub is maybe two pints for him. He drinks but he paces himself and drinks for the drink not for the drunkeness. So, his ideal day might have a Bloody Mary or mimosa a breakfast, some wine with lunch, a late afternoon cocktail and wines with supper......but doesn't want to be tipsy.

Having 'dated' a few heavier drinkers I have to say there is usually, but not always, a difference in performance. With some poor chaps IME drink produces a benefit over sobriety ( for their partner at least).

Shudder. Love wine, love lots of drinks, but not lots of drink. If its enough to make me rosy cheeked its too much. That's probably about the third glass nowadays, but I almost never get to a third glass. I remember times I have drink a lot more and felt sober, but I just don't have the constitution for it now, and I really don't mind.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

lostinrates wrote: »

Be careful dear hamish, it hits harder after a period of clean living.

So I'm discovering.

I just don't have the constitution for it now, and I really don't mind.

I certainly have nowhere near the constitution for it that I used to.

One of the more noticeable signs of ageing for me.

Can't really say I mind all that much, it's usually enough to deter me from too much in the way of excess these days, but apparently I'd forgotten that lesson and needed a quick refresher this weekend.:o

My only consolation is that Mrs McT is in markedly worse shape today than I am.

misskool

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

My only consolation is that Mrs McT is in markedly worse shape today than I am.

bacon sandwich, lots of tea and a banana.

just off out to allotment when i can get up and get ready.