my god, this lot are stopping childcare vouchers now

Carl31

DaddyBear wrote: »

I not sure why so many people are getting bent out of shape about this. Childcare is a legitimate expense incurred if you have children and work. This isn't a 'benefit', its tax relief.
Childcare vouchers are paid for by the recipient, but before tax is taken. You're not 'paying for someone's childcare'. This is no different than a self-employed person claiming for petrol, use of a car, use of a room in their house as an office, purchase of work-related clothing.......etc.
Get a grip.

Tax relief reduces tax income made by the government, hence there is less 'in the pot' for everyone for public services, effectively you are taking financial resource away from everyone, both parents and non parents

botchjob

Xiderpunk wrote: »

However I fail to see why we are EXPECTED and indeed vilified if we are not sympathetic to supporting other peoples children and life style choices.

You’re not expected to do anything sunshine. It would just be pleasant if you weren’t so vile about those less fortunate than your goodself. Pray forbid you should ever suffer a reversal in your lucky fortunes and need the threadbare safety net that used to be called the Welfare State. The concept of living in a society is obviously alien to you.

Bully for you, and your private this and that. You were obviously born with a silver spoon in your mouth. Well, you know where you can shove that, don’t you?

Mr._Pricklepants

botchjob wrote: »

Pray forbid you should ever suffer a reversal in your lucky fortunes and need the threadbare safety net that used to be called the Welfare State.

The Welfare State should provide a safety net for those in genuine need. The sick, the elderly, the disabled, etc...
Having kids is a choice, not a reversal in lucky fortunes.

DaddyBear wrote: »

Childcare is a legitimate expense incurred if you have children and work. This isn't a 'benefit', its tax relief.

Tax relief or straightforward benefit doesn't make a difference.
Look DaddyBear. You and MommyBear can produce as much bear cubs as you wish, but that shouldn't be subsidised by the state. If you can't afford them, don't have them.

moneyinmypocket

Kids are for 18 years and not just for Xmas - I shouted this out of the window while passing some yoof - all of them pushing prams, not working, sky tv at home and some tins. if you can't afford kids don't have them. Not fair on the kids involved. They all turn out bad anyway

DaddyBear

Carl31 wrote: »

Tax relief reduces tax income made by the government, hence there is less 'in the pot' for everyone for public services, effectively you are taking financial resource away from everyone, both parents and non parents

So how is it any different from the other work-relatwd expenses, examples I've offered:
I suppose you don't claim any tax relief at all, do you? Do you voluntarily donate your pension tax relief to the treasury too?

McKneff

I fail to see how you say you will not get a state pension. Every person of state pension age is entitled to a state pension. Full Stop.
Unless of course you haven't paid any NI. Your wife, if she has not paid enough Ni, will be able to claim 60% of state pension from your contributions. Im surprised you came up with this statement and also mentioning Married couples allowance has not existed for many years. You really need to update your self of the laws of the land.

I have 2 points to make.
I wonder how many of the moaners on here actually voted them in.
The tories are doing exactly what they have set out to do, get us all fighting amongst ourselves.

DaddyBear

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

The Welfare State should provide a safety net for those in genuine need. The sick, the elderly, the disabled, etc...
Having kids is a choice, not a reversal in lucky fortunes.



Tax relief or straightforward benefit doesn't make a difference.
Look DaddyBear. You and MommyBear can produce as much bear cubs as you wish, but that shouldn't be subsidised by the state. If you can't afford them, don't have them.

What the government is beginning to realise is that this country is heading for a socio-economic disaster. With the cost of living sky-rocketing, more working couples are choosing not to have children because its unaffordable. On the other side of the coin, we have a benefits system where people who rely on the state are better off by having more children.
It is a well recognised phenomenon that children born into families where parents don't work, are much more likely to be benefit-reliant than those born into working families. Therefore, they need to encourage working couples to have children, to produce the tax payers of the future.
£2,000 per year for what amounts to less than 4 years is a tiny amount compared to a lifetime of tax-paying.

nicko33

moneyinmypocket wrote: »

They all turn out bad anyway

You've certainly provided enough evidence of this

CLAPTON

DaddyBear wrote: »

What the government is beginning to realise is that this country is heading for a socio-economic disaster. With the cost of living sky-rocketing, more working couples are choosing not to have children because its unaffordable. On the other side of the coin, we have a benefits system where people who rely on the state are better off by having more children.
It is a well recognised phenomenon that children born into families where parents don't work, are much more likely to be benefit-reliant than those born into working families. Therefore, they need to encourage working couples to have children, to produce the tax payers of the future.
£2,000 per year for what amounts to less than 4 years is a tiny amount compared to a lifetime of tax-paying.

yes of course

we are one of the richest countries in the world : however do the others cope

grizzly1911

DaddyBear wrote: »

£2,000 per year for what amounts to less than 4 years is a tiny amount compared to a lifetime of tax-paying.

I thought this was going to extend up to 12 eventually.

I do find it surprising that for student loans a family income of around £50k means that you have to fully support your offspring with living and maintenance costs. But for help with child care it is OK up to to £300K.