Appealing the Bedroom Tax

Anny_2

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

You pair are just so childish aren't you?

The cases I was referring to that I KNOW personally are all in hospital beds, I also know of other cases that are not. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Up until this point the rest of us were having an adult debate so run along and play please

Totally agree MW.

I was quite enjoying reading a reasoned adult debate. Those who have very limited/poor debating skills are easily identifiable by the immature content of their posts - says it all really!

mysterywoman10

skintmacflint wrote: »

As someone who remembers when it was commonplace for familes of 5 , 2 parents , 1 f/t working , 1 p/t, with 3 kids aged between 7 and 10 all having to share 1 bedroom , in a tenement , how our feelings of entitlement and what constitutes poverty have changed. There was none of the present generous welfare systems in place back then.

I'm glad living conditions and standards have improved, but as a nation we can no longer afford it.

Choose now whether to accept some small sacrifice for the present time. Or refuse to let a government make changes, unfair as some might seem, and gamble the future of your grandchildren to be faced with worse conditions than I grew up in . In the knowledge they're ill prepared to deal with it.

The economic time clock is ticking.

You make some good points about standards of living but I don't agree that by accepting an ill thought out policy which will not save money is a sensible course of action or it will prevent the ticking clock.

Which is why I proposed a small cut to all and disbanding the £10 xmas bonus, do the figures and you will find much larger savings and no discrimination issues. Less hassle for LA's etc.

Plan and consult properly on a long term sustainable housing system across all sectors.

Democracy is about standing up for what you think is right and fair, not lying down and taking a beating from an incompetent government IMO.

Dunroamin

306chris wrote: »

Ok - I GET A FAIR AMOUNT TO LIVE ON. if you acknowledge it isnt a luxurious lifestyle.

Yes we can cope and I've paid into the system for 16 years. But why should I be getting less now than my neighbour when we both live in the same size house and have the same number of children. I hate to say it but it simply isn't fair.

Things are rarely totally fair.

I wonder whether, when you were working, you were concerned about similar working families who were paying far more rent in the private sector than you were in social housing?

Sometimes you just have to accept that whereas in the past you were the lucky ones, now it's someone else's turn to be more fortunate.

ab.da54

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

You make some good points about standards of living but I don't agree that by accepting an ill thought out policy which will not save money is a sensible course of action or it will prevent the ticking clock.

Which is why I proposed a small cut to all and disbanding the £10 xmas bonus, do the figures and you will find much larger savings and no discrimination issues. Less hassle for LA's etc.

Plan and consult properly on a long term sustainable housing system across all sectors.

Democracy is about standing up for what you think is right and fair, not lying down and taking a beating from an incompetent government IMO.

How will the current proposals not save any money, out of interest?

If people are complaining of around £10, do you think they will happily accept £5?

Agree with charge being implemented across the board and removal of christmas bonus.

plum2002

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

I agree which is why this cut will not solve the housing problem that I know you really care about.

It's the child tax credits that need addressing not housing benefit although different departments, targets budget cuts etc. has bought this interim kneejerk plan into play. We need a proper thought out sensible housing plan, that is sustainable.

Very hard to get rid of tax credits when the NMW is not a living wage

skintmacflint

mysterywoman10 wrote: »

You make some good points about standards of living but I don't agree that by accepting an ill thought out policy which will not save money is a sensible course of action or it will prevent the ticking clock.

Which is why I proposed a small cut to all and disbanding the £10 xmas bonus, do the figures and you will find much larger savings and no discrimination issues. Less hassle for LA's etc.

Plan and consult properly on a long term sustainable housing system across all sectors.

Democracy is about standing up for what you think is right and fair, not lying down and taking a beating from an incompetent government IMO.

I don't presume to know whether your suggestion woud save more money , be more acceptable to the majority who receive HB, or achieves some of the other background reasons behind doing it this way.

However if it truly is the case, why doesn't the Facebook protest march campaign against the bedroom tax , or the appeal letter you advise everyone to send not state this as a preferable and more acceptable alternative?.

Or why not start a campaign which suggests this alternative ?

Surely if what you say is correct , it would send a strong national democratic message to the government . Stronger than just a minority affected protesting a change, and stronger than just the opinion of a few on focus groups consulted?

mysterywoman10

skintmacflint wrote: »

I don't presume to know whether your suggestion woud save more money , be more acceptable to the majority who receive HB, or achieves some of the other background reasons behind doing it this way.

However if it truly is the case, why doesn't the Facebook protest march campaign against the bedroom tax , or the appeal letter you advise everyone to send not state this as a preferable and more acceptable alternative?.

Or why not start a campaign which suggests this alternative ?

Surely if what you say is correct , it would send a strong national democratic message to the government . Stronger than just a minority affected protesting a change, and stronger than just the opinion of a few on focus groups consulted?

I think there is more than one way to object to these things and you would have to ask them that, I have posted on their page that they should have done the same for LHA, have you? Some of us do do things and I would happily support such a campaign, you could start it as well?

I'm sorry but I won't sit back and watch people who I believe are being discriminated against and not inform them of their right of appeal. Particularly when I know the government was aware of the issues before they embarked on this policy.

mysterywoman10

plum2002 wrote: »

Very hard to get rid of tax credits when the NMW is not a living wage

I agree never said about getting rid of it but it has got a bit out of hand bringing everyone up to middle income!

mysterywoman10

ab.da54 wrote: »

How will the current proposals not save any money, out of interest?

If people are complaining of around £10, do you think they will happily accept £5?

Agree with charge being implemented across the board and removal of christmas bonus.

The point is it is done across the board so it is fairer there is no discrimination against particular groups. The private sector had it done across the board. There are enough problems there with the sizing criteria without bringing it in to the Social sector as well!

£5 is half of £10 and a lot less than some will pay if the 25% kicks in.

That is if the objective is to save money?

mysterywoman10

Sorry didn't answer you first question above ab.da54 I can't prove it catagorically but when you take into account the disabled figures (whether we agree on them or not) many of these will probably end up being exempted given now the case law. Then you take into account costs to LA's in administering the mess. The saving is pretty small in the overall scheme of things.

I saw on another thread somewhere removing £10 xmas bonus to all saved twice the amount can't remember the exact figure off the top of my head because it would include all the pensioners as well.