Seen exams and disabled students

Tam_Lin

studentphil wrote: »

I can see all that, it is very difficult issue I know. I do not know the answer myself, but I know many disabled people have gifts and brains and the system being so set up for the physically able does make somewhat harder for disabled people. But I do feel strongly that disabled people have a right to go to school, go to university, work and get married just like everyone else and that is vey hard in a world created by the physically able for the physically able.

Phil - never have I met anyone who unwittingly does more to alienate the disabled from the able-bodied than you do. You talk as if the disabled are a separate species.

studentphil

crazy_guy wrote: »

If we are going to give extra time to prepare an answer because someone has a disability and is generally slower to understand and to plan an answer......i think we should IQ test EVERYONE - if i'm dumber than another student surely i should get extra time to compensate for my lower intellect compared to a fellow student.

For the exam, perhaps we should test the speed of EVERYONES writing speed, its surely not fair to allow fast writers to be allowed to write more stuff than me who is generally a slow writer......where do we stop phil??

I do not know all the answers. I know it is clearly evident that I write much slower than most people on my course. About 1.5- 2 sides is what I write in an hour which is at least 1/2 of what most can do.

nickyhutch

studentphil wrote: »

I think it is fair for disabled people to want to compete with non-disabled people. I would not have wanted to have been put in special school and then to live the rest of my life in care on benefits. I have always wanted to be just like non-disabled people and to have a life of success, freedom and achievement.

You imply that all if not most people who go to a special school live in care for the rest of their lives and on benefits. This is simply not true.

Plenty of disabled people have a life of "success, freedom and achievement" - markedly the ones who don't just sit around whining about how unlucky they are, and how the odds are stacked against them - the ones who get on with what they can, and do it well.

crazy_guy

studentphil wrote: »

I do not know all the answers. I know it is clearly evident that I write much slower than most people on my course. About 1.5- 2 sides is what I write in an hour which is at least 1/2 of what most can do.

I'd ask for some serious help if you can only write 2 sides in an hour!! We have an hour and write about 8 sides an hour!! Its not uncommmon to fill up the exam booklet!

Gingernutmeg

studentphil wrote: »

I can see all that, it is very difficult issue I know. I do not know the answer myself, but I know many disabled people have gifts and brains and the system being so set up for the physically able does make somewhat harder for disabled people. But I do feel strongly that disabled people have a right to go to school, go to university, work and get married just like everyone else and that is vey hard in a world created by the physically able for the physically able.

I have a friend at uni who was a victim of the thalidomide tragedy. He has to use a motorised wheelchair and have constant support. Because of the deformities he has, he can't physically type or write. However, he's very intelligent and is on course for a first, and although quite rightly he needs physical allowances to be made for him to be able to be fully integrated, no allowances have been made for him in an academic respect. He would be deeply offended if it was suggested that he was given an 'easier' degree just because of his disabilities.

University is an academic enviroment. For a degree to be worth anything it has to be standardised and the marks have to be comparable. You seem to be suggesting that more allowances should be made for students who find the work more difficult, which is ridiculous! Not everyone can excel academically, regardless of whether they have disabilities or not. Equally, academic achievement is not dependent on whether you're as physically able as the next person, hence the story about my friend. If university suits you, then you'll do well, if not, you won't - like I said, not everyone can excel academically and to start handing out allowances just because some people find the work difficult would devalue a struggling system even more. As I said in a previous post, there is a point at which you can't just compensate someone by making the work easier - it's unrealistic and patronising.

Tam_Lin

My friend has a severely autistic son who struggled all the way through school, nonetheless got 3 GCSEs and is now at a residential college learning woodworking skills and practical life skills. He is being equipped to be as safely independent as possible.

I suspect Phil that you're using extreme words to try and provoke a reaction. You're clearly not at a level of disability where confining you somewhere was deemed necessary. You do alright on here with 13000+ posts; if typing were as difficult as you make out you wouldn't have reached 200.

studentphil

Tam_Lin wrote: »

Phil - never have I met anyone who unwittingly does more to alienate the disabled from the able-bodied than you do. You talk as if the disabled are a separate species.

I am not that different from most normal people. I just can not write very well, have good balance- I am not that different from anyone else. My life is not really anymore harder than anyone else's. That is because I have had time to find ways around problems or to just not do something if I really can not do it.

I did PE and cooking and woodwork and sowing, science lab work all without help or getting it easy. I admit not very well but I always did my best at it.
I do a degree I am not suited to but I have never given up or thought I will walk away. I have always fought hard and pushed the stone up the hill. I have never ever in my life given up. I am just like any able bodied person in that regard.

crazy_guy

studentphil wrote: »

I am not that different from most normal people. I just can not write very well, have good balance- I am not that different from anyone else. My life is not really anymore harder than anyone else's. That is because I have had time to find ways around problems or to just not do something if I really can not do it.

I did PE and cooking and woodwork and sowing, science lab work all without help or getting it easy. I admit not very well but I always did my best at it.
I do a degree I am not suited to but I have never given up or thought I will walk away. I have always fought hard and pushed the stone up the hill. I have never ever in my life given up. I am just like any able bodied person in that regard.

Count your blessings then!!

studentphil

nickyhutch wrote: »

You imply that all if not most people who go to a special school live in care for the rest of their lives and on benefits. This is simply not true.

Plenty of disabled people have a life of "success, freedom and achievement" - markedly the ones who don't just sit around whining about how unlucky they are, and how the odds are stacked against them - the ones who get on with what they can, and do it well.

I think I have done well. Yes, I might moan and get upset about it, but in my life I have always done everything everyone else does from doing all the subjects at school. Learning to ride a bike, Swim, drive- in my life I have never been put off or walked away from anything. I hate my course but I will never be a drop out and I push the stone up the hill even if it drives me mad.


Sure I moan, but never have I ever been stopped in life.

susy_2

studentphil wrote: »

I think it is fair for disabled people to want to compete with non-disabled people. I would not have wanted to have been put in special school and then to live the rest of my life in care on benefits. I have always wanted to be just like non-disabled people and to have a life of success, freedom and achievement.

Excellent Phil :T The problem is you don't believe this! You talk about your disablility endlessly and yes I do have sympathies for people with disadvantages but you play the disability card at every opportunity Phil. You want everything handed to you on a plate!

I can type a few words on here,

Rubbish! You have said this time and time again. I have noted in quite a few of your posts that you 'read' a post (sometimes lengthy), 'thought' about it and come back with a 'typed response', all in a very short space of time. STOP IT PHIL!

Many people without disabilities are slow to assimilate and think about things.....................this is why they are not academically suited for further education.