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POPLA Decisions

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  • jimmy102
    jimmy102 Posts: 23 Forumite
    Tenth Anniversary Combo Breaker
    edited 12 May 2014 at 5:52PM
    Another POPLA win, against UK CPM.

    It is the Appellant’s case that the parking charge notice was issued
    incorrectly.

    The Operator has not produced a copy of the parking charge notice, nor any evidence to show a breach of the conditions of parking occurred, nor any evidence that shows what the conditions of parking, in fact, were.

    Accordingly I have no option but to allow the appeal.


    Many thanks indeed to this site, hugely appreciate it. Edit - just to add POPLA are running two weeks behind, this was due to be heard a fortnight ago.
  • Jimin
    Jimin Posts: 20 Forumite
    Thread here: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4890536

    The operator issued parking charge notice number XXXXXX arising out of the presence at XX,XX,XX on XX,XX,2013, of a vehicle with registration mark XXXX XXX.

    The Appellant appealed against liability for the parking charge.

    The Assessor has considered the evidence of both parties and has determined that the appeal be allowed.

    The Assessor's reasons are as set out.

    The Operator should now cancel the parking charge forthwith.

    Reasons for the Assessor's Determination

    The Operator issued a parking charge notice ('PCN') for failure to display a valid permit. The Operator submits that a parking charge is now due in accordance with the advertised terms of parking which required motorists to display a valid permit. The Operator has produced photos of the Appellant's vehicle and site signage in support of its case.

    The Appellant disputes liability for the parking charge. It is the Appellant's case that the parking charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of any loss incurred as a result of the alleged breach of the parking contract. The Appellant submits that there was no loss as the car park was free to use.

    There is no dispute that the parking charge was issued for a breach of the advertised terms and conditions. The amount of the parking charge must therefore represent compensation for a loss suffered as a result of an alleged breach of the parking contract. Accordingly, the charge must be a genuine pre-estimate of loss. The estimate must be based on an initial loss flowing from a breach of the parking terms. This might be, for example, loss of parking revenue in a Pay and Display car park.

    The Operator did not address this issue. Specifically, the Operator did not produce any evidence to justify the charge as having been a genuine pre-estimate of loss.

    Consequently, I do not have the evidence before me to refute the Appellant's submission that the parking charge is unenforceable.

    I must allow the appeal on this ground.

    Accordingly, it does not fall for me to decide any remaining issues.
  • APCOA

    Reasons for the Assessor’s Determination

    On *********** a parking charge notice was issued to a vehicle with
    registration mark ****** failing to park in a designated parking area.

    The Operators’s case is that the parking restrictions are clearly displayed on
    numerous signs situated throughout the site. The parking rules say: “vehicles
    must be parked in a valid car park or bay.” The Operator’s photographic
    evidence shows that Appellant’s vehicle was captured by ANPR camera
    failing to park in a designated parking area. They have provided ANPR
    images to illustrate their point and they have supplied a copy of the terms
    and conditions, layout of airport ground showing signage location and
    restricted areas, images and plans and warning signage.

    The Appellant’s case is that the parking charge is punitive and it is not a
    genuine pre-estimate of loss.

    The Operator rejected the Appellant’s representations because they state
    that by failing to park in a designated parking area, they breached the terms
    and conditions of parking. They advise that they are not liable to justify the
    charge of £100 as section 19.5 of BPA guideline state that if the charge is for a
    breach of contract or act of trespass, this charge must be based on the
    genuine pre-estimate of loss that the motorist suffer. They say that if the
    charge is more than £100, they must be able to justify the amount in
    advance.

    I note the Operator’s submissions in this present case and I appreciate them,
    nevertheless, the Operator has not sought to justify the amount of parking
    charge being a genuine pre-estimate of loss. The burden of proof is on the
    Operator to support the enforcement of the parking charge notice and to
    sufficiently address the point raised by the Appellant and I find that on this
    occasion, the Operator has failed to prove that the parking charge notice is
    a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore, they have not discharged the
    burden of proof.

    Accordingly, I allow this appeal.

    Aurela Qerimi
    Assessor
    Proud to be a member of the Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Gang.:D:T
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 43,363 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    They advise that they are not liable to justify the charge of £100 as section 19.5 of BPA guideline state that if the charge is for a breach of contract or act of trespass, this charge must be based on the genuine pre-estimate of loss that the motorist suffer. They say that if the charge is more than £100, they must be able to justify the amount in advance.

    KIFL - is this copied and pasted from the original POPLA result, or a typo? GPEOL 'that the motorist suffer'.

    Also, somewhat bemusingly, is APCOA's position that they don't have to justify the charge because of a BPA CoP clause, rather overlooks the fact that contract law requires otherwise of them!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • No its copied and pasted ,
    Proud to be a member of the Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Gang.:D:T
  • Hot_Bring
    Hot_Bring Posts: 1,596 Forumite
    A case I was assisting with off forum against Athena ANPR - another POPLA win :D

    The Operator issued parking charge notice number 123456 arising out of the presence at Lidl Brighton, on March xxxxx, of a vehicle with registration mark WE W0N.
    The Appellant appealed against liability for the parking charge.
    The Assessor has considered the evidence of both parties and has determined that the appeal be allowed.
    The Assessor’s reasons are as set out.
    The Operator should now cancel the parking charge notice forthwith.

    Reasons for the Assessor’s Determination
    At xx:xx, on March xxxxx, a CCTV automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) system recorded the Appellant’s vehicle entering Lidl Brighton.

    The Operator’s case is that the Appellant breached the car parking
    conditions by exceeding the free parking duration at the site.
    The Appellant made representations stating his case. One of the points raised by him was that the Operator lacks the legal capacity to enforce/issue PCN’s.

    The Operator has submitted that they have attached a letter from the
    landowner which states that they are authorised to issue parking charges with the evidence pack. However, there appears to be no such letter attached with the pack.

    Membership of the Approved Operator Scheme does require the parking company to have clear authorisation from the landowner, if it is not itself the landowner, as to its role in relation to the parking control and enforcement.

    This is set out in the BPA Code of Practice. However, as with any issue, if the point is specially raised by an Appellant in an appeal, then the Operator should address it by producing such evidence as it believes refutes a submission that it has no authority.

    The Operator has not produced any evidence to demonstrate that it is the land-owner; or, that it has the authority of the land-owner to issue parking charge notices at this site. Once the issue is raised by an Appellant, it is for the Operator to demonstrate that it has authority, and a mere statement to the effect that it has a contract will not be sufficient.

    Consequently, I must find that the Operator has failed to produce sufficient evidence to refute the Appellant’s submission that it did not have authority to issue a parking charge notice.

    I need not decide any other issues.

    Accordingly, the appeal is allowed.

    Sakib Chowdhury
    Assessor
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis." - Dante Alighieri
  • Dee140157
    Dee140157 Posts: 2,864 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture Combo Breaker Mortgage-free Glee!
    Thank you everybody. Another forum win against Parking Eye.
    Reason: PSDSU. I would have fought it, but you all made it so much easier and so much less stressful.

    Reasons for the Assessor’s Determination
    It is the Appellant’s case that the parking charge notice was issued incorrectly.
    The Operator has not produced a copy of the parking charge notice, nor any evidence to show a breach of the conditions of parking occurred, nor any evidence that shows what the conditions of parking, in fact, were.
    Accordingly I have no option but to allow the appeal.
    Christopher Adamson
    Assessor
    Newbie thread: go to the top of this page and find these words: Main site > MoneySavingExpert.com Forums > Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking. Click on words Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking. Newbie thread is the first post. Blue New Thread button is just above it to left.
  • I haven't posted before, but have used the excellent advice on here to appeal my Parking Eye invoice. As my appeal was successful I thought I'd add to the list of wins:


    Reasons for the Assessor’s Determination

    It is the Appellant’s case that the parking charge notice was issued incorrectly.

    The Operator has not produced a copy of the parking charge notice, nor any evidence to show a breach of the conditions of parking occurred, nor any evidence that shows what the conditions of parking, in fact, were.

    Accordingly I have no option but to allow the appeal.

    Shehla Pirwany
    Assessor


    The main point of my appeal was on GPEOL, looks like PE didn't even try to defend.
  • ColliesCarer
    ColliesCarer Posts: 1,593 Forumite
    edited 14 May 2014 at 12:51PM
    Another PSDSU against Parking Eye for a friend I helped off forum
    The Appellant appealed against liability for the parking charge.
    The Assessor has considered the evidence of both parties and has
    determined that the appeal be allowed.
    The Assessor’s reasons are as set out.
    The Operator should now cancel the parking charge notice forthwith.
    Reasons for the Assessor’s Determination
    It is the Appellant’s case that the parking charge notice was issued incorrectly.
    The Operator has not produced a copy of the parking charge notice, nor any evidence to show a breach of the conditions of parking occurred, nor any evidence that shows what the conditions of parking, in fact, were.

    Accordingly I have no option but to allow the appeal.

    Christopher Adamson
    Assessor
  • james915
    james915 Posts: 17 Forumite
    Decision: Allowed

    Assessor: Unknown

    Date: May 2014

    Reported: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4904502

    Successful Grounds: Unclear Signage & not a genuine pre estimate of loss

    PPC: Excel Parking Services LTD

    The Appellant appealed against liability for the parking charge.

    The Assessor has considered the evidence of both parties and has determined that the appeal be allowed.

    The Assessor’s reasons are as set out.

    The Operator should now cancel the parking charge notice forthwith.

    The operator’s case is that the terms and conditions at the site clearly state ‘anyone parking in a blue bay and leaving/walking off site will result in the immediate issue of a parking charge notice.’ The driver of the vehicle parked and left the site and was therefore parked in contravention of the terms and conditions.

    The appellant’s case is that the operator has not shown that they have the authority to enforce parking charge notices and the charge is disproportionate and is not a genuine pre estimate of loss. The appellant has additionally stated that the signage is unclear and does therefore not form a contract between the driver and the operator.

    Considering carefully all the evidence before me, the appellant has stated that the charge is disproportionate and is not a genuine pre estimate of loss. From the wording of the signage, the charge appears to represent liquidated damages, which is compensation agreed in advance and the charge should therefore represent the losses incurred as a result of a breach of the terms and conditions.

    The operator has sought to justify the charge and stated that the charge is a genuine pre estimate of loss as the operator ‘incurs significant costs in ensuring compliance with the stated terms and conditions and to follow up on any breaches of these identified.’

    Although the operator has provided a breakdown of the losses incurred, a substantial proportion of the charge appears to relate to debt recovery. As cases may not necessarily proceed to debt recovery stage, the individual amounts listed are not substantially linked to the loss incurred as a result of the appellant’s breach, which was parking and leaving the site. I am therefore not satisfied that the operator has sufficiently shown that the charge is a genuine pre estimate of loss. As a result, I need not decide other issues raised by the appellant.

    Accordingly, this appeal must be allowed.
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