Does this suggest the tide is turning on immigration ?

Sampong

A._Badger wrote: »

Apparently, her name is Amy Rutland and she is a Labour Party 'regional policy co-ordnator'.

Well I was attempting to be kind but, since you mention it - yes that's her.:rotfl:

GlynD

Sampong wrote: »

I also agree. I don't dispute (and never have) that there are a number of Brits who abuse the welfare system, but the whole "British are lazy" thing is just utter tripe used as a smokescreen to hide what is really going on - British workers wages being undercut and mass exploitation of migrant workers. In many cases rouge agencies are charging migrant workers hundreds of pounds for job's in warehouses, Polish, Lithuanian and Latvian account managers are hired to deal with them, put them all on minimum wage (or less if they can find a way around it), same people send then direct to a letting agency or to rouge Landlords.

Whilst there is no in depth and hard evidence of all this at the moment - sooner or later it will come out in the wash and some big name companies name's will be embroiled in it all - they will however come out clean as "how could they know what the agencies they were using did"...........

Of course there are some lazy Brits about. Same as there are lazy Romanians, Bulgarians, Poles, Germans, Arabs an Uncle Tom Cobbley an all............

It's generous benefits which are at the back of it all and there should be a way of combatting abuse of the system which is better than the one we have. I can see that denying benefits to economic migrants, at least for a period of time, would be one way of dealing with some abuses.

ruggedtoast

fc123 wrote: »

OMG So did I. Summer of 1984:)

I was 21 + @ college and needed something to get me through the summer (in the olden days of no work, no moneh).

I remember getting a bar job in a club in the West End and then got sacked after 4 weeks as the manager got fresh and I told him where to go (normal stuff in the olden days) so next day I went to the local job centre, saw bar job in Bognor Butlins, applied and went down there.
Well, the bit about the Notherners was true, I reckon 95% from up north.
I met a few running away from things too (not always crime but family problems etc)
The accomodation was basic and we shared rooms, had no ensuite stuff.....just huge dingy bath houses (with no plugs so you had to jam a tissue down it). The canteen food was dire too.

I remember having £50 in my hand for a week.

I learnt to roller blade in my spare time along the front.

Whenever I hear 'Careless Whisper' I am taken back to the 'nightclub' where we would go after our bar shut at about 11.30pm.

I did 5 weeks before having enough as my new room mate would bring lads back to the room (post the 'Careles Whisper ' slow dance) and ..well, I had had enough by then.

It was an interesting experience though.

Yep, everyone got paid on a Monday (iirc) and they were all penniless and hung over by Wednesday. Most of the wages having gone into the Butlins bar.

I've never really worked anywhere like that before or since (thank goodness).

Edit: Tee hee, I was just remembering sitting around for the days team meeting at the funfair to start. They gave out Daily Mirrors for free and they were all sitting around reading them. A conversation then transpired that revealed that 70% of the team couldn't read and were "Just looking at the b**tard pictures anyway".

There was then a short conversation about how to spell the word 'ANY' which resulted in a final decision of "ENEY" which was quickly dismissed as "It doesn't b**tard matter anyway, from the people who were still sober enough to contribute and not yet stoned enough not to care (one of my colleagues who worked on the Dodgems, crashing was illegal as it wore the bumpers out so Butlins made everyone ride round in a clockwise direction on a pretence of health and safety, took to eating lumps of cannabis in his room at lunchtime as he reasoned it was quicker than smoking it and mostly made him oblivious for the rest of his shift).

I filled in my UCAS application that weekend.

Sampong

BobQ wrote: »

As to the exchange about UKIP, what evidence is there that the questioner was a Labour activist? You may be correct but I wonder whatv your source is for this. Either way, disgust is a bit OTT although they do have a few nutters.

Can anyone name a Policital Party that doesn't have nutters.

Cameron, Clegg, Milliband - three good examples of nutjobs right there.

olly300

GlynD wrote: »

It wasn't my suggestion. I was simply repeating what's been on the media. It may help you to understand though when you realise that 30% of all Romanians living in London have been found guilty of crime.

You like many people confuse Roma (the Gypsies) with normal Romanians, a few of whom are ethnically Hungarian.

GlynD

olly300 wrote: »

You like many people confuse Roma (the Gypsies) with normal Romanians, a few of whom are ethnically Hungarian.

No, I'm not confusing the Romanians with the Roma. I'm taslking purely about Romanians. I'm familiar with the Roma, particularly through their excellent accordion playing at various sites throughout Europe.

olly300

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yep, everyone got paid on a Monday (iirc) and they were all penniless and hung over by Wednesday. Most of the wages having gone into the Butlins bar.

I've never really worked anywhere like that before or since (thank goodness).

Edit: Tee hee, I was just remembering sitting around for the days team meeting at the funfair to start. They gave out Daily Mirrors for free and they were all sitting around reading them. A conversation then transpired that revealed that 70% of the team couldn't read and were "Just looking at the b**tard pictures anyway".

There was then a short conversation about how to spell the word 'ANY' which resulted in a final decision of "ENEY" which was quickly dismissed as "It doesn't b**tard matter anyway, from the people who were still sober enough to contribute and not yet stoned enough not to care (one of my colleagues who worked on the Dodgems, crashing was illegal as it wore the bumpers out so Butlins made everyone ride round in a clockwise direction on a pretence of health and safety, took to eating lumps of cannabis in his room at lunchtime as he reasoned it was quicker than smoking it and mostly made him oblivious for the rest of his shift).

I filled in my UCAS application that weekend.

So they recruit people by putting a bus outside a job centre and wonder why they get the British dross?

I've recruited a few young people in the past and a lot of the tradesmen I've used in the last few years have been clearly under 25. British young people are as hard working as their Polish counterparts if they want to work, and from the stories I hear from other people who employ young people the ones with jobs do.

olly300

GlynD wrote: »

No, I'm not confusing the Romanians with the Roma. I'm taslking purely about Romanians. I'm familiar with the Roma, particularly through their excellent accordion playing at various sites throughout Europe.

Crime in their country or the UK?

Link please.

GlynD

olly300 wrote: »

Crime in their country or the UK?

Link please.

Link was already posted. Read back a few posts.

olly300

GlynD wrote: »

Link was already posted. Read back a few posts.

The report doesn't agree with your assertion simply because it doesn't give the population of people from different nationalities in London.

It simply lists the number of individuals who have been arrested for a type of crime per year broken down by country of origin excluding the UK and a few other countries.

Someone being arrested then someone actually being charged and then someone being convicted are three very different things especially with more serious crimes. I know people who have been arrested but never charged as they have had a very strong alibis.