Built in gas double oven reviews

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ryder72 wrote: »

The human factor with the AGA and the fact that an AGA trainer once told me that every AGA is slightly different and one must get to know their AGA to get best results. Excuse me mate, but I live in 2013.

An AGA is one of the most simple cookers to cook with and also one of the easiest cookers to get fantastic results with, its a cooker I have a lot of experience with as I worked for them for 6 years.

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CKdesigner wrote: »

No sorry cooker expert you are way off the mark there. You carry on with your Aga thinking it cooks better than anything else. Sure it will do a decent roast chicken but if you compare what an Aga can do with a proper joint and my Miele oven, then I'll beat you everytime!

There is no comparison. What you are forgetting is that the Aga will do a decent job but its the human factor it can't account for and its this that is the down fall in consistent results.

Come on be honest, you know the Aga market is dying and they are in trouble, they offer horrendous customer service, don't support their dealers in any fashion and are just a nightmare to deal with. Not to mention their amazing marketing decisions to purchase cheap rubbish appliances from China and re-brand them as Aga! Seriously they have lost their way and if you are in the industry you know it!

Then you mention Wolf and Viking from the states, they are as good at making appliances as they are at making cars! Fine back in the 60's but Europe has moved on a bit since then!

Now the French - I have a bit of a soft spot for SIL they make some nice cookers. They produce beautifully crafted products but there is little consideration for modern life. We had a Lacanche Cluny for many years, vastly superior to 'wannabe' range cookers over here but I'd never have another one. My built in Miele pyrolytic single oven, steam oven, warming drawer and induction hob are far more practical and suited to modern life.

CK

The AGA market is dying not due to poor quality as poor quality and AGA do not go hand in hand (unless you are on about customer services) it is merely down to fuel consumption and the price of fuel, nothing else.

Viking and Wolf are excellent products, let down maybe by parts availability, a statement though that can also be used against your beloved Mielle.

Your Mielle though will never cook as well as an AGA..... ever, no matter what you say, I simply have too much experience in this area, you're bringing a water pistol to a gun fight if you want to argue on these matters.

CKdesigner

Cooker_expert wrote: »

The AGA market is dying not due to poor quality as poor quality and AGA do not go hand in hand (unless you are on about customer services) it is merely down to fuel consumption and the price of fuel, nothing else.

Viking and Wolf are excellent products, let down maybe by parts availability, a statement though that can also be used against your beloved Mielle.

Your Mielle though will never cook as well as an AGA..... ever, no matter what you say, I simply have too much experience in this area, you're bringing a water pistol to a gun fight if you want to argue on these matters.

At least I can spell Aga - you can't spell Miele!;)

CKdesigner

CKdesigner wrote: »

At least I can spell Aga - you can't spell Miele!;)

Sorry that was a bit rude of me.

But seriously, I work within a premises that is also an Aga shop, they regularly hold cookery demonstrations and often I get to eat the results. Frankly they must be doing something wrong because the cookery demonstrations we do using VZug appliances produce better cooking with a far more varied menu.

Cooker_expert

ryder72 wrote: »

I am not claiming expertise in range cookers. I am merely pointing out that the cheap ones are crap and the expensive ones are status symbols. Ease of use, efficiency, performance don't come into it when a £600 built-in oven gives you higher efficiency and almost comparable if not better cooking results than an appliance that several times dearer. Its easy to see which one is relatively better.

I am not comparing a cheap cooker to an expensive one. All I am saying is across the range, they are very rarely made with the same technical finesse as mainstream built in appliances.

As regards cookers, I have just had a look through my Lacanche brochure and struggled to find anything rated above B. This is a £10k-20k range we're talking about here. At that price I'd like it to wash the dishes and put them away as well please.

It depends on the oven, I am finding now that the energy ratings are taking the worst case scenario for ranges, i.e. using the least efficient heating method, for example all Rangemaster fan ovens are A rated, and their conventional are B rated, a multi-function oven though will be B rated because of the possibility that you used it on the conventional setting even though there is the very same option of using the fan oven A rated mode on it.

Cheap ones + Crap and Expensive ones are a status symbol is not Really true either, I say not really because you are spot on with the first bit, Cheap range cookers are crap, Belling, Stoves, New World, Cannon, Flavel, Leisure, Kenwood etc. I wouldnt thank you for any of them.

Rangemaster, Falcon, Aga, LaCanche, Mercury, AGA etc are quality appliances though that you can keep going for years and customers love them.

ryder72

I am not going to comment on Rangemaster - I really don't rate them.

Perhaps you can then explain why the last 5 range cookers supplied by us either £2500 - £3800 Falcons and £4000 Mercury cookers have all had problems with them. Loose electrical connections, ill fitting seals, metal stampings with burrs still attached to them, below average paint finish etc. I find it hard to believe that a company that can't make a range cooker properly deserves to have the quality tag associated with it.

I am not expert with AGA cooking but I will let you into a secret - try South African style potjie cooking using a simple cast iron pot (£65) and an open fire. You will get excellent results with relatively little skill and still have £6935 left in the bank. The technology isn't vastly different either.

Cooker_expert

ryder72 wrote: »

I am not going to comment on Rangemaster - I really don't rate them.

Perhaps you can then explain why the last 5 range cookers supplied by us either £2500 - £3800 Falcons and £4000 Mercury cookers have all had problems with them. Loose electrical connections, ill fitting seals, metal stampings with burrs still attached to them, below average paint finish etc. I find it hard to believe that a company that can't make a range cooker properly deserves to have the quality tag associated with it.

I am not expert with AGA cooking but I will let you into a secret - try South African style potjie cooking using a simple cast iron pot (£65) and an open fire. You will get excellent results with relatively little skill and still have £6935 left in the bank. The technology isn't vastly different either.

I'm sure you can cook a fantastic quiche in a cooking pot

Not commenting on Rangemaster really shows your lack of knowledge in this area, for the money nobody else gets close, plus theres the fact that they have a massive customer satisfaction rate with excellent cooking results, they are also a cooker that simply last years due to a use of good quality components, the fact that rangemaster do not make parts obsolete every few years, in fact you can still get nearly every working part for the original rangemaster electric range made over 20 years ago, theres only 1 part I can think of that isnt available, even on the gas side there are only a few parts not still around, then theres the fact that they use thicker metals and a stronger frame than all of their competitors, insulate their ovens properly (i.e. dont just wrap it with silver foil) the list goes on, but like I said, I see the appliances stripped down and what components are being used, unlike 99.99% of others.