Built in gas double oven reviews

Cooker_expert

ryder72 wrote: »

Of course but the point still is that its still arguable if food cooked in an 80k La Cornue is any better than that cooked in a 2.5k Miele/Gaggenau etc and stuff from Neff/Siemens wont be far behind.

And I very much doubt if anyone with budgets for Viking, Lacanche or La Cornue are going to be here looking for advise.

La Cornue have an oval shaped oven roof for perfect circulation of heat, something that the mass produced ovens you mention cannot afford to do on production, so yes I believe they will cook a little better just like an AGA will cook better than the makes mentioned too.

And the fact was that I challenged the word "best" being used for the other brands, nobody said somebody was on here looking for advice on those particular brands, and also like I said there are plenty of fantastic gas ovens out there too, Rangemaster for example are within many peoples price points and they score very highly with customer satisfaction.

CKdesigner

Cooker_expert wrote: »

La Cornue have an oval shaped oven roof for perfect circulation of heat, something that the mass produced ovens you mention cannot afford to do on production, so yes I believe they will cook a little better just like an AGA will cook better than the makes mentioned too.

And the fact was that I challenged the word "best" being used for the other brands, nobody said somebody was on here looking for advice on those particular brands, and also like I said there are plenty of fantastic gas ovens out there too, Rangemaster for example are within many peoples price points and they score very highly with customer satisfaction.

I'm sorry cooker expert but I think you have lost sight of who will actually be using these appliances. Sure no doubt about it La Cornue is a beautiful hand made cooker, I'm in fact sitting no more than 10 feet away from one now! But just because you spend £20k on a La Cornue or £10k on an Aga doesn't actually mean that what the user cooks will be any good.

To get good results from an Aga you need to be quite experienced in the way they cook, going to Aga cookery courses and the like. As for the likes of having a La Cornue, Lacanche, Wolf, Viking and many other bespoke French manufactured cookers, these are for people that really know what they are doing, aspiring and professional chefs. For normal consumers they are just a beautiful (if you like the look) lump of metal in the corner of the room, that frankly is hugely inefficient, way over priced and needs constant cleaning to keep it looking nice.

What the top end built in appliance manufacturers that I have mentioned have done is produce cooking appliances that take virtually all of the guess work out of cooking, where the consumer can produce restaurant standard food quickly and without them needing to be Gordon Ramsey.

In this modern world I find that people are always short of time, and often customers want good results without the fuss and that is where top end built in cooking appliances will always win in my opinion.

CK

Cooker_expert

CKdesigner wrote: »

I'm sorry cooker expert but I think you have lost sight of who will actually be using these appliances. Sure no doubt about it La Cornue is a beautiful hand made cooker, I'm in fact sitting no more than 10 feet away from one now! But just because you spend £20k on a La Cornue or £10k on an Aga doesn't actually mean that what the user cooks will be any good.

To get good results from an Aga you need to be quite experienced in the way they cook, going to Aga cookery courses and the like. As for the likes of having a La Cornue, Lacanche, Wolf, Viking and many other bespoke French manufactured cookers, these are for people that really know what they are doing, aspiring and professional chefs. For normal consumers they are just a beautiful (if you like the look) lump of metal in the corner of the room, that frankly is hugely inefficient, way over priced and needs constant cleaning to keep it looking nice.

What the top end built in appliance manufacturers that I have mentioned have done is produce cooking appliances that take virtually all of the guess work out of cooking, where the consumer can produce restaurant standard food quickly and without them needing to be Gordon Ramsey.

In this modern world I find that people are always short of time, and often customers want good results without the fuss and that is where top end built in cooking appliances will always win in my opinion.

CK

No, these appliances are not ferraris, they are not temperamental appliances that need constant tending to, they are appliances that have gone more than 1 step further in design and cooking perfection for the average person AND for great cooks alike.

Although highly inefficient in comparison the appliances you mention can but dream of cooking as well as an AGA for a start, the others though are not highly inefficient machines in the slightest nor are they all French, la cornue is now British owned for example with some of the cookers made over here, with wolf and Viking being American.

ryder72

Sorry Cooker Expert - Show me a range cooker that has the same energy efficiency rating as anything Neff/Siemens/Miele/Gaggenau produce.

All the range cookers I have ever looked at from the entry level Leisure/Flavel to the top spec La Cornue etc have the build quality of an ox-cart compared to built in models. Are you telling me that somoene that cant design an oven door properly is capable of producing a range cooker that is thoroughly designed and capable of meeting the manufacturing standards of the better made built in oven.

Can you explain why almost every client that comes in to us with an AGA loves it but complains about how expensive they are to run and want ovens & hobs for use in the summer?

Aga type cookers are about as relevant to modern living as leeches are to modern surgery. They may cook a good meal if you know how to use it but in the real world most people have a life to get on with and want to know that their meat & 2 veg will be properly and reliably cooked in an hour without needing a PhD in cooking.

Cooker_expert

ryder72 wrote: »

Sorry Cooker Expert - Show me a range cooker that has the same energy efficiency rating as anything Neff/Siemens/Miele/Gaggenau produce.

All the range cookers I have ever looked at from the entry level Leisure/Flavel to the top spec La Cornue etc have the build quality of an ox-cart compared to built in models. Are you telling me that somoene that cant design an oven door properly is capable of producing a range cooker that is thoroughly designed and capable of meeting the manufacturing standards of the better made built in oven.

Can you explain why almost every client that comes in to us with an AGA loves it but complains about how expensive they are to run and want ovens & hobs for use in the summer?

Aga type cookers are about as relevant to modern living as leeches are to modern surgery. They may cook a good meal if you know how to use it but in the real world most people have a life to get on with and want to know that their meat & 2 veg will be properly and reliably cooked in an hour without needing a PhD in cooking.

Perhaps if you had read my post you would have noticed the bit where I put "Although highly inefficient" when refering to an AGA

Cooker_expert

ryder72 wrote: »

All the range cookers I have ever looked at from the entry level Leisure/Flavel to the top spec La Cornue etc have the build quality of an ox-cart compared to built in models.

oh please, you really are showing how little you know about cookers, you can really compare a range from Beko (flavel-Leisure) to a 750 kg La Cornue ?

I have specialised in cookers for 28 years now, I don't just see the outside like you, I see the inside and the quality of components used etc.

Cooker_expert

ryder72 wrote: »

Sorry Cooker Expert - Show me a range cooker that has the same energy efficiency rating as anything Neff/Siemens/Miele/Gaggenau produce.

How many do you want ?

Virtually all good brand range cookers achieve an "A" rating.

ryder72

I am not claiming expertise in range cookers. I am merely pointing out that the cheap ones are crap and the expensive ones are status symbols. Ease of use, efficiency, performance don't come into it when a £600 built-in oven gives you higher efficiency and almost comparable if not better cooking results than an appliance that several times dearer. Its easy to see which one is relatively better.

I am not comparing a cheap cooker to an expensive one. All I am saying is across the range, they are very rarely made with the same technical finesse as mainstream built in appliances.

As regards cookers, I have just had a look through my Lacanche brochure and struggled to find anything rated above B. This is a £10k-20k range we're talking about here. At that price I'd like it to wash the dishes and put them away as well please.

CKdesigner

Cooker_expert wrote: »

No, these appliances are not ferraris, they are not temperamental appliances that need constant tending to, they are appliances that have gone more than 1 step further in design and cooking perfection for the average person AND for great cooks alike.

Although highly inefficient in comparison the appliances you mention can but dream of cooking as well as an AGA for a start, the others though are not highly inefficient machines in the slightest nor are they all French, la cornue is now British owned for example with some of the cookers made over here, with wolf and Viking being American.

No sorry cooker expert you are way off the mark there. You carry on with your Aga thinking it cooks better than anything else. Sure it will do a decent roast chicken but if you compare what an Aga can do with a proper joint and my Miele oven, then I'll beat you everytime!

There is no comparison. What you are forgetting is that the Aga will do a decent job but its the human factor it can't account for and its this that is the down fall in consistent results.

Come on be honest, you know the Aga market is dying and they are in trouble, they offer horrendous customer service, don't support their dealers in any fashion and are just a nightmare to deal with. Not to mention their amazing marketing decisions to purchase cheap rubbish appliances from China and re-brand them as Aga! Seriously they have lost their way and if you are in the industry you know it!

Then you mention Wolf and Viking from the states, they are as good at making appliances as they are at making cars! Fine back in the 60's but Europe has moved on a bit since then!

Now the French - I have a bit of a soft spot for SIL they make some nice cookers. They produce beautifully crafted products but there is little consideration for modern life. We had a Lacanche Cluny for many years, vastly superior to 'wannabe' range cookers over here but I'd never have another one. My built in Miele pyrolytic single oven, steam oven, warming drawer and induction hob are far more practical and suited to modern life.

CK

ryder72

The human factor with the AGA and the fact that an AGA trainer once told me that every AGA is slightly different and one must get to know their AGA to get best results. Excuse me mate, but I live in 2013.