Will The Bedroom Tax Affect Me?

Morlock

bargainbetty wrote: »

OK, not a problem. Take it out of my housing benefit. Oh, that's right, I don't get any. Morlock, an owner already pays a premuim for the extra room in the house price, and in the council tax bandings for larger properties. Seriously, get over it.

Council tax is based on the value of a property, not its size. And by the same criteria, I mean the calculation used to decide if a property is under-occupied or not.

bargainbetty wrote: »

Since it is MY home, that I pay for with MY money, the state can take its council tax and s*d off.

No matter that it is a finite resource, 'I paid for it, so I am entitled'.

adouglasmhor

Morlock wrote: »

No matter that it is a finite resource, 'I paid for it, so I am entitled'.

That's how it works, if you ever get a job you can buy things and they are your's as well.

As for finite, - we are not that short of land and the building trade could do with the work.

nannytone_2

adouglasmhor wrote: »

That's how it works, if you ever get a job you can buy things and they are your's as well.

As for finite, - we are not that short of land and the building trade could do with the work.

so those who cannot work shoulkd expect nothing apart from being kept alive?

adouglasmhor

nannytone wrote: »

so those who cannot work shoulkd expect nothing apart from being kept alive?

Where did I say that? They should expect to have care, security, and a quality of life, they should not expect everyone else to subsidise their every whim.

zoominatorone

nannytone wrote: »

so those who cannot work shoulkd expect nothing apart from being kept alive?

If they want to be classed and thought of as being the same as everyone else......

Morlock

adouglasmhor wrote: »

That's how it works, if you ever get a job you can buy things and they are your's as well.

I'll ignore your personal dig based on nothing but assumptions.

adouglasmhor wrote: »

As for finite, - we are not that short of land and the building trade could do with the work.

Oh good idea, why haven't I already stated exactly the same thing on this thread...?

adouglasmhor

Morlock wrote: »

I'll ignore your personal dig based on nothing but assumptions.

What is the assumption? That if you buy things with your own earnings they are yours, or that you are actively seeking paid emplyment?

Morlock wrote: »

Oh good idea, why haven't I already stated exactly the same thing on this thread...?

So what's your problem?

Morlock

zoominatorone wrote: »

If they want to be classed and thought of as being the same as everyone else......

The extra benefits support disabled people receive helps to put them on a par with able bodied people, otherwise they are, more often than not, at a distinct disadvantage.

Expecting disabled people to now top-up rent out of their disability benefits destroys that parity.

zoominatorone

Morlock wrote: »

The extra benefits support disabled people receive helps to put them on a par with able bodied people, otherwise they are, more often than not, at a distinct disadvantage.

Expecting disabled people to now top-up rent out of their disability benefits destroys that parity.

sorry, but from £70ish a week for single JSA claimant to to £100-£200 a week EVERY week for someone on DLA plus the rest of the benefits they get, then I can't see why they shouldn't be expected to provide something towards the place they call home.

Fire_Fox

Morlock wrote: »

I know exactly how bedroom tax is implemented, thanks. I don't remember stating an opinion on the recent CB changes. And yes, if the bedroom tax applies to social housing and private tenants (as some people claim), why shouldn't it apply to owner-occupiers when in the midst of a housing crisis?

Homeowners and those in private rental who are self funding already pay proportionally more for any spare bedrooms - higher rent, higher mortgage, higher purchase price. Your 'tax' would penalise them twice! People on housing benefit are simply being brought into line with that. Live within your means not someone else's means. Benefits to fund the basics not luxuries.

Are we in the midst of a housing crisis? The whole country is bursting at the seams, no empty new builds that developers cannot shift? Who are all these homeless people, are we talking about those on social housing lists? Again how does homeowners selling up to downsize change that unless government purchases them? Next you will be suggesting anyone who owns more than one property must sell it, including all the landlords!

Why can't some of these homeless adult children go home to their parents and live in their underoccupied spare rooms? Why should homeowners be expected to downsize to house someone else's child? Plenty of ethnic minority families house their own adult sons, their wives and children, they build extensions and into the loft if needs be. IME white Brits are more likely to breed first, worry about where they are going to live and how they can possibly afford it later.