lets get back to basics... starting with the butcher

GlynD

MysteryMe wrote: »

It was tradition to send kids up chimneys as well.

No it wasn't. Please, if you're going to make a comment then make it sensible.

Fire_Fox

GlynD wrote: »

There are always exceptions to every rule but you'd have to admit that tradition gives the mother the role of teaching the female children and where I come from that is largely the case.

You can twist your point all you like, it's irrelevant what happened 50 or 100 years ago. It's traditional to stay married until parted by death, what is the divorce rate now, in just a couple of generations? Single parent families are increasingly common, so you'd think it would be more likely the mother would teach the female child to cook.

Instead look at the supermarket: rows and rows of frozen and fresh ready meals including entire aisles of plastic wrapped bread, the rapidly shrinking produce section, the fishmongers, butchers and grocers disappearing from the high street. Women bake and cook less and less. My grandmothers baked bread, Yorkshire puds and pastry routinely, my grandfather and both parents grew their own vegetables and kept chickens. The male in my sibling's household did Xmas dinner this year with recipes by celebrity chefs on their iPad and food from Waitrose.

Perhaps today you are the exception?

GlynD

Fire_Fox wrote: »

You can twist your point all you like, it's irrelevant what happened 50 or 100 years ago. It's traditional to stay married until parted by death, what is the divorce rate now, in just a couple of generations? Single parent families are increasingly common, so you'd think it would be more likely the mother would teach the female child to cook.

Instead look at the supermarket: rows and rows of frozen and fresh ready meals including entire aisles of plastic wrapped bread, the rapidly shrinking produce section, the fishmongers and butchers disappearing from the high street. Women bake and cook less and less. My grandmothers baked bread, Yorkshire puds and pastry routinely, my grandfather and both parents grew their own vegetables and kept chickens. The male in my sibling's household did Xmas dinner this year with recipes by celebrity chefs on their iPad and food from Waitrose.

Perhaps today you are the exception?

I can't see how I'm twisting the point when you are agreeing with me. Perhaps you better look at the argument again.

Fire_Fox

GlynD wrote: »

I can't see how I'm twisting the point when you are agreeing with me. Perhaps you better look at the argument again.

Perhaps you'd better read posts 27 and 29 again, noting you used the present not past tense. Again Perhaps today you are the exception?

GlynD

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Perhaps you'd better read posts 27 and 29 again, noting you used the present not past tense. Again Perhaps today you are the exception?

I don't need to look at the posts again. I know what my views are. I am arguing that it is normal or traditional for mothers to teach their daughters cookery and other domestic subjects. There's nothing exceptional in that.

I've also said that Domestic Science was taught in school when I was there.

If you're saying that my points are wide of the mark then it would be nice to see you put your own opinion in a polite and collegiate way.

At the moment you seem more fixated on scoring some kind of personal victory by saying that I am the exception, even when the majority of other posters on here have views which agree with me.

Do you have anything useful to add to the discussion?

red_devil

if you live near worcester try here. Good butcher and free marinates with meats.

https://www.pottersmeats.co.uk

Fire_Fox

GlynD wrote: »

I don't need to look at the posts again. I know what my views are. I am arguing that it is normal or traditional for mothers to teach their daughters cookery and other domestic subjects. There's nothing exceptional in that.

I've also said that Domestic Science was taught in school when I was there.

If you're saying that my points are wide of the mark then it would be nice to see you put your own opinion in a polite and collegiate way.

At the moment you seem more fixated on scoring some kind of personal victory by saying that I am the exception, even when the majority of other posters on here have views which agree with me.

Do you have anything useful to add to the discussion?

Traditional and current norms are completely different discussions. Do you prefer to only debate with people that agree with you, given that I am the second dissenter you have tried to dismiss? What exactly do your sexist and passe views add to the thread?

"Well yes, although I believe you'd agree with me when I say that it's usually the preserve of the mother to teach a girl domestic subjects .... I believe that mothers teach girls and fathers teach boys."

GlynD

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Traditional and current norms are completely different discussions. Do you prefer to only debate with people that agree with you, given that I am the second dissenter you have tried to dismiss? What exactly do your sexist and passe views add to the thread?

"Well yes, although I believe you'd agree with me when I say that it's usually the preserve of the mother to teach a girl domestic subjects .... I believe that mothers teach girls and fathers teach boys."

Traditional and current norms are very much related in fact. The world hasn't changed that much that mothers and fathers have completely dropped their traditional roles with regards to their children.

Neither are you the second dissenter I have tried to dismiss. If you're trying to say I'm engaged in another discussion with someone who doesn't share my viewpoint then I'd agree on that. If you're saying I can't put my views forward then you're wrong.

If I choose to bemoan the fact that there seems to be a drop in the number of mothers teaching their daughters how to cook then that is my opinion, based on what I know. If you're saying that the tradition is no longer the norm then we must either discuss or agree to disagree - not try to poohpooh each other's opinions.

We certainly shouldn't let the discussion become personal.

Fire_Fox

GlynD wrote: »

We certainly shouldn't let the discussion become personal.

:rotfl: Spot on.

"it would be nice to see you put your own opinion in a polite and collegiate way.

At the moment you seem more fixated on scoring some kind of personal victory by saying that I am the exception, even when the majority of other posters on here have views which agree with me.

Do you have anything useful to add to the discussion?"

GlynD

Fire_Fox wrote: »

:rotfl: Spot on.

"it would be nice to see you put your own opinion in a polite and collegiate way.

At the moment you seem more fixated on scoring some kind of personal victory by saying that I am the exception, even when the majority of other posters on here have views which agree with me.

Do you have anything useful to add to the discussion?"

Go on then, add something to the discussion instead of this type of thing. You're a long time here and I'm sure you have something valuable to say.