UK attracts more Immigrants than the whole of the EU

Generali

Sampong wrote: »

Anybody can make a typo. Trying to ignore the point by focusing on the typo is numpty behaviour plain and simple.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a typo when you hit an incorrect key and misspell a word as a result, e.g. I might ask someone if they fancy a punt after work? I think your title comes under the category of Poor English Obscuring Intended Meaning.

So what is your point? Bigger countries with relatively low unemployment and better than average economies within a subset of countries attract more migrants. That seems obvious really.

What, if anything, should be done do you think? I mean about the high immigration not your poor English or your abusive tone to other posters. We can deal with those separately if you like.

zagubov

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I don't think mass immigration is all good. I'm pretty xenophobic and insular, plus I am extremely suspicous of organised religion which seeks to strictly control people on the basis of social norms whoch are many hundreds of years out of date, and which would seek to reverse the social freedoms our citizens have gained, which all means I'm not entirely comfortable with ghettoised immigration from Muslim countries. Hamish would probably call me a racist.

I just don't think that the stats which the telegraph article is based on actually bear out your revised claim that the UK has the most immigration of any EU country. There appear to be a number of EU countries where the immigration rate is higher on a per capita basis than it is in the UK. I didn't say that this is a good thing for those countries, just pointed out what the Eurostat figures show.

Using absolute numbers to compare immigration in countries of wildly varying populations (and for that matter population densities) is a completely flawed method of comparison.

I knew someone who worked in Singapore for a while and he claimed that most housing was in the public sector. When new housing estates were released, new residents were allocated places so that all singapore's ethnicities were mixed precisely to avoid ghettoes forming.

Sometimes I can see the point; when you move to a new country how does being surrounded by people and a culture identical to wherever you originated from. help you integrate?

I'm a massive fan of immigration for a variety of rerasons. Not such a big fan of apartheid , which IMHO ghettoisation coould eventually lead to.

BobQ

Sampong wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9854255/UK-attracts-most-immigrants-in-whole-of-EU.html

but......but....... didn't Hamish tell us otherwise?

The website you refer to does not cite its sources and proves your statement is a complete lie.

You also need to consider the proportion of the existing population that thes figures represent.

Try quoting some real evidence.

BobQ

Sampong wrote: »

Exactly - all of the posters can see the point regardless of the typo, but nobody wants to answer.

The point is, in every thread we have about the impact of Immigration, Hamish posts data which is either out of date, bogus, or at best questionable and tries to tell us that more migrants go to other EU countries.

Yet the latest info indicates otherwise.

So he was wrong then.

This is a Telegraph story, but where is the real data they quote

Optimist

BobQ wrote: »

This is a Telegraph story, but where is the real data they quote

Probably from Eurostat

Sampong

BobQ wrote: »

This is a Telegraph story, but where is the real data they quote

It's in other newspapers - but the data is as someone else said - from Eurostat

Sampong

BobQ wrote: »

The website you refer to does not cite its sources and proves your statement is a complete lie.

Try quoting some real evidence.

As I said it is from Eurostat.

So I didn't lie did I.

Sampong

Generali wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a typo when you hit an incorrect key and misspell a word as a result, e.g. I might ask someone if they fancy a punt after work? I think your title comes under the category of Poor English Obscuring Intended Meaning.

You can quite clearly see how the error was made. It's not even that much of an issue. You and other posters are hell bent on blowing it out of all proportion in an attempt to derail the original statement.

So what is your point? Bigger countries with relatively low unemployment and better than average economies within a subset of countries attract more migrants. That seems obvious really.

You would have thought it would be obvious but it's something that Governments seem to be unable to manage.

What, if anything, should be done do you think?

Gain better control of our borders? Simple.

I mean about the high immigration not your poor English or your abusive tone to other posters. We can deal with those separately if you like.

There is nothing wrong with my English. I think you will find, if you read back - that other posters started with the abusive tone. Here is a lesson in life for you - if you deliberately try and blow somebody's minor error out of all proportion - it's probably unwise to expect a friendly response. My posts weren't abusive, they were based on the common sense assumption that if somebody chose to misinterpret the original statement, they must clearly be a numpty. Not abusive - just general observation.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I'm pretty xenophobic and insular, plus I am extremely suspicous of organised religion which seeks to strictly control people on the basis of social norms whoch are many hundreds of years out of date, and which would seek to reverse the social freedoms our citizens have gained, which all means I'm not entirely comfortable with ghettoised immigration from Muslim countries.

Hamish would probably call me a racist.

Probably.

But I do at least respect the honesty of your argument.

I'd much rather debate genuine concerns such as ghettoisation and lack of cultural integration with a self-admitted xenophobe, than debate with closet racists hiding behind hysterical and completely false assertions such as immigrants commit more crime, steal our jobs, reduce our pay rates, etc.

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

false assertions such as immigrants commit more crime,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7001768.stm

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

false assertions such as steal our jobs,

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/235

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

false assertions such as reduce our pay rates, etc.

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/235