Green Deal MSE Guide Discussion

Ken68

Am really impressed with the research by Martin and team.
Have ordered a free survey from Aran.
James mentions in another thread that EWI has fire risk concerns in Germany.

http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=9820

grahamc2003

tiesteelm wrote: »

I live in a 1960's prefab house in Liverpool. All the properties that are owned by the council have had the external walls cladded through this scheme, and they look really nice. I will be taking full advantage of this, as I don't see myslef moving in the near future.

I thought this was a new scheme not yet fully operational?

How much is added to your electricity bill each month to payback the council's loan for the work?

grahamc2003

I think the issues addressed in your post summerise most of the issues raised in various threads.

I think if all the concerns mentioned are addressed and solved somehow (some look quite insurmountable to me), then the GD could work in theory. It could be theoretically sound.

In addition to all the concerns mentioned, there's an additional one - even if the GD theoretically hangs together, people are worried about how it would actually work in practice. The simple fact that salesmen will be in people's homes with a powerful sales message (they'll say the work is free) will, in practice, lead to assessments and recomendations perhaps not in the clients best interests, but in the saleman's. That's life, I'm not sure how that can be avoided. Some assessors may well enter hoping to help people with their problems, but to hold down an assessors job, imv, they'll have to hit targets. It will almost certainly become a pressure sell of expensive services. I'd be really intersted to see how that can be guarded against.

CharlieBilly

Who is supplying external wall insulation for free? only things I have come across that is free is cavity walls and loft insulation

edit just found one

http://www.rockwarm.co.uk/news/free-external.php

I been looking for ages for free solid wall insulation in the past

CharlieBilly

I live in a 1920's semi that has half rendered walls, rendering is a little patchy wouldnt like to drill through some parts. I also have wooden bits of roof coming out under the guttering. and at front a porch and large bay. Side a garage and back a small extension. I worry about what happens to drainpipes as they have to be moved, sat dish (freesat), pir security lights etc. I have one disabled person on DLA living with us who feels cold as does my partner. Thanks

Richie-from-the-Boro

NeverInDebt wrote: »

Actually thats not quite true. If your username promotes your buisness then it could seen as advertising and you could be banned.

- if its related to 'promoter / provider of energy and carbon management services'
- they're much higher up, in fact almost at the top of the food chain
- time always tells the diligent what's needed

You are of course correct in saying 'if it promotes your business' he could be banned.

Cardew

Indeed it is impossible to estimate the savings from measures with any form of accuracy.

To meet the requirements of the 'golden rule' the savings must be given a monetary value.

I suggest that the monetary value of savings for a retired couple who are home all day, and have the rooms at 24C will be considerably higher than a couple out at work all day and content with rooms at 18C when at home.

CharlieBilly

Thank you the one I quoted just realised its for electric heating only for 100% grant seems another site I found is also same only 50% cant afford the 4k to put towards it and dont want a loan

jamesd

This part of the article is wrong:

"If your assessor recommends loft and cavity wall insulation, you need do your other recommendations too to get the cashback for them, as they're seen as the basics."

It is not necessary to do the other recommendations to get the cashback for the loft and cavity wall insulation. It is necessary to do the loft and cavity wall insulation to get the cashback for the other things.

The Green Deal Cashback FAQ says: "I've read that you can only get cashback if you get loft and cavity insulation installed - is this correct, and if so, why? Government wants to encourage customers who haven’t already done so to install cost-effective measures such as cavity wall and loft insulation, therefore this is a requirement where it is recommended on your Green Deal assessment. Where a property already has the appropriate levels of loft or cavity insulation then they can go ahead and apply for the cashback."

A 7% interest rate isn't unduly bad, it's not much above the more usual rates for mortgage interest and has that advantage that you can walk away from it by selling.

Verena2

Not interested in the green deal but VERY keen to know more about the above and can't find anything on Google except for people on benefits etc. I gather from MSE that the energy co's are supposed to put money in but how do you get it out of them? Has anyone had any success?