Endeavour Vehicle Services strike again. Towed at Stansted Airport

Stroma

ILW wrote: »

You sig would suggest that your advice is far from impartial.

Why it's true, you show me one parking company that is ethical, acts fully in compliance to the BPA CoP, doesn't break the DPA, claims only for losses and actually does manage car parks.

And I'll show you all the ones who don't .

And by the way keep to the topic and don't divert from the OP question

Guys_Dad

Stroma wrote: »

I disagree with you, this forum is for advice on parking issues, do you seriously expect us to advise to pay these charges, or to take parking companies seriously. This is a money saving forum not a money wasting one.

And I repeat here, we are not here to judge people only to offer impartial advice, if you have a problem with that I suggest that you don't contribute further, as people on here will firstly try and help.

Oh, sorry. I didn't understand that only those who agree 100% with you were allowed on here.

So you say we aren't here to judge but help with impartial advice. Ok then take this hypothetical over-the-top example

"I was driving home from a lunchtime session at the pub and I unfortunately knocked over a couple of kids on a zebra crossing, causing them serious injury. I was forced to stop by another motorist and, when the police came, I was breathalysed and found to be over the limit.

When I came back some hours later, I found I had a ticket for parking on a yellow line. I didn't park as such, just forced to because some other driver obstructed me from driving away from the zebra crossing and the police refusing to allow me to move my car as they were arresting me.

This is clearly unfair. How can I appeal the ticket?"

Are you seriously saying that you would not apply any personal judgement to this and offer advice on how to appeal???

Stroma

You are being ridiculous and you know it ! As I said above if you have a problem with the advice people are giving its best not to contribute further. Perhaps this will give you some context as why the forum is here, this from Martin Lewis is a sticky on the bankruptcy forum, but in general it applies to all the forums

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/443692

Guys_Dad

Stroma wrote: »

You are being ridiculous and you know it ! As I said above if you have a problem with the advice people are giving its best not to contribute further. Perhaps this will give you some context as why the forum is here, this from Martin Lewis is a sticky on the bankruptcy forum, but in general it applies to all the forums

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/443692

Evaded the point. Ok, your choice.

I have no problem with the vast majority of the advice given on here. But it is not difficult to establish those who have an open mind to each thread, whilst at the same time disliking PPCs , and those who are close-minded and never weigh up circumstances.

Sometimes there are other factors that should, dare I say it, outweigh any parking charges. You chose to dismiss my hypothetical case as ridiculous. I suspect because you didn't have an answer.

If you truly believe that, irrespective of any circumstances whatsoever, you should help people who want to avoid parking penalties without being judgemental of the case in point, then I believe you to be totally wrong, and to then suggest to those who chose to bring some moral element into their comments that they should go elsewhere is to attempt to bring some sort of self-imposed dictatorship to a forum in which people are permitted to air their points of view.

As long as counter viewpoints are expressed reasonably politely and with some clear argument - which you might not agree with - then that is the basis of a healthy forum. I quote from your link above :-

If you feel it’s important to point something out that the poster may find negative but needs to understand, then it's not a problem, but do think carefully about your phrasing - people can be very sensitive and nuances may mislead when it’s in an online Forum.

The_Slithy_Tove

jkdd77 wrote: »

The OP could probably make a written request for a copy of the byelaws, although I am not completely certain whether a private airport would fall under the FoI Act.

Doesn't matter. Byelaws must, by their very nature, be public documents. Nothing to do with FoI. If you want to see the Byelaws, then they have to be provided to you.

vaclove

There was a lot of relevant stuff said here.

Let me comment:
Yes, I did something, I should not have done. And I had to pay for that. I see lot of people breaking the rules everyday and I am upset when someone gets away with being ruthless and ignorant. Sometimes, however you may have a genuine reason. Something being legal does not mean it is right, resonable or fair.
Some of you may see me as a chancer who ignored rules that everybody else failed to comply and now looks for a way out.

Despite I admit leaving the vehicle there unattended was wrong and stupid, I feel that paying a feel of £180 to a private company who did nothing else than lift up my can and put it back down (after I payed) is unfair and main purpose of it is not safety or security, but greed. Why should I even pay for something that has not been done.

If everything in this country would work as fast a towing at Stansted airport, you would get specialist appointment under NHS in less than a day. Dentist appointment before you could brush your teeth etc...

As everybody is so scared of ubiquitous bombing at Stansted, they even prohibited dropping off people in front of the airport building. Purpose of the traffic control is purely to charge overpriced fees. Lot of international airports have free 10-15 min parking that serves for dropping of and picking up passangers. And guess what, no cars blowing up there.
I would understand that when the car is towed away, I need to go via some recovery procedure and pay reasonable ammount.

The staff clearly saw there is now bomb in the car (otherwise they would do nothing of course), but did not waste a second and lifted my car before they did any paperwork.

Strictly speaking the car was not unattended when they were lifting it. I was not asked to pay penalty or fine. No ticket was issued by trafic warden. I was caught for money.

Don't be mistaken here, I would accept to pay a reasonable fee for my mistake, but this was clearly a case when someone is actively watching for people leaving their cars unattended to make some cash.

Guys_Dad

I agree with most of what you wrote. The £180 is clearly a deterrent rather than any estimate of cost/loss. If car was strictly speaking not unattended, then why were you not in a "dropping off situation"?

Martin's page on parking/clamping http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets has a checklist as to what you ought to have done. Hindsight? Isn't it great.

Stroma

Guys_Dad wrote: »

Evaded the point. Ok, your choice.

I have no problem with the vast majority of the advice given on here. But it is not difficult to establish those who have an open mind to each thread, whilst at the same time disliking PPCs , and those who are close-minded and never weigh up circumstances.

Sometimes there are other factors that should, dare I say it, outweigh any parking charges. You chose to dismiss my hypothetical case as ridiculous. I suspect because you didn't have an answer.

If you truly believe that, irrespective of any circumstances whatsoever, you should help people who want to avoid parking penalties without being judgemental of the case in point, then I believe you to be totally wrong, and to then suggest to those who chose to bring some moral element into their comments that they should go elsewhere is to attempt to bring some sort of self-imposed dictatorship to a forum in which people are permitted to air their points of view.

As long as counter viewpoints are expressed reasonably politely and with some clear argument - which you might not agree with - then that is the basis of a healthy forum. I quote from your link above :-

If you feel it’s important to point something out that the poster may find negative but needs to understand, then it's not a problem, but do think carefully about your phrasing - people can be very sensitive and nuances may mislead when it’s in an online Forum.

You are taking the discussion away from the OPs question, you can moralise all you want but the point is you are not helping here at all. Yes put reasonable points in that are relevant but your scenario is ridiculous as its not the circumstances here .

As I said if you have a problem with the advice its probably not to contribute because as you can see you take the thread of track and onto other things, if you want to discuss this create a thread about it instead of hijacking this one.

Stroma

vaclove wrote: »

There was a lot of relevant stuff said here.

Let me comment:
Yes, I did something, I should not have done. And I had to pay for that. I see lot of people breaking the rules everyday and I am upset when someone gets away with being ruthless and ignorant. Sometimes, however you may have a genuine reason. Something being legal does not mean it is right, resonable or fair.
Some of you may see me as a chancer who ignored rules that everybody else failed to comply and now looks for a way out.

Despite I admit leaving the vehicle there unattended was wrong and stupid, I feel that paying a feel of £180 to a private company who did nothing else than lift up my can and put it back down (after I payed) is unfair and main purpose of it is not safety or security, but greed. Why should I even pay for something that has not been done.

If everything in this country would work as fast a towing at Stansted airport, you would get specialist appointment under NHS in less than a day. Dentist appointment before you could brush your teeth etc...

As everybody is so scared of ubiquitous bombing at Stansted, they even prohibited dropping off people in front of the airport building. Purpose of the traffic control is purely to charge overpriced fees. Lot of international airports have free 10-15 min parking that serves for dropping of and picking up passangers. And guess what, no cars blowing up there.
I would understand that when the car is towed away, I need to go via some recovery procedure and pay reasonable ammount.

The staff clearly saw there is now bomb in the car (otherwise they would do nothing of course), but did not waste a second and lifted my car before they did any paperwork.

Strictly speaking the car was not unattended when they were lifting it. I was not asked to pay penalty or fine. No ticket was issued by trafic warden. I was caught for money.

Don't be mistaken here, I would accept to pay a reasonable fee for my mistake, but this was clearly a case when someone is actively watching for people leaving their cars unattended to make some cash.

As mentioned post on pepipoo.com they are more equipped to help you than here as you can see your thread has been taken off track by the morals of some.

You need to find out the bylaws allow towing, if they don't you have case to fight this as it would be an illegal tow.

ManxRed

vaclove wrote: »

Hello Everybody,
I went through quite unpleasant experince yesterday. I left my car unattended for ca 3 minutes at drop off zone at Stansted airport (my fault).
When I came back, vehicle was surrounded by staff from Endeavor Vehicle sevices and they were lifting it up. One of the guys was just starting with paperwork. The only way to gat the car back down was to pay a fee of £180.
I have received a receipt stating that I have paid £180. I have not signed anything. I did not receive any information why I was charged, based on what regulations etc.
The situation was clearly hat the Tow Car (of private comapny) was waiting there for me (or anyone else) to leave the car so they can act immediatelly. They have lifted the car even before issuing any sort of ticket.

Does anyone have a same experince? I have found a similar thread by person being towed at Luton, but there were no conclusions how it finally went.

I strongly feel that it is unfair to charge such high fee for basically nothing. Yes, I was not in the car when they have lifted it, but they really did not waste any time to do that.
Or should I call my bank and try to cancel the transaction it possible?

Any suggestions on how to appeal and to whom actually?

Many thanks

I suggest you post this on www.pepipoo.com. No offence to the regulars on here (who do a great job) but you will also receive genuine help, without the high-horse moralising that has sadly appeared on this board in recent weeks from a recent batch of trolls.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=60