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Govt Defeated-Cons Losing Election More Likely
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Does the Forum Panel think that seeing the state that our economy is in at the moment, that a large percentage of the Electorate of Britain will themselves have experienced the stresses of trying to budget their families lives, many on a shoe string, will now be in a more responsable position to understand that the only way for change is to vote for it.
It depends. My view of the 1980s & 1992 General Elections is that the electorate blamed Labour for the ills of the nation, even many years after 1979. If the Tories can pull that trick again they can win the next election, after all Labour would have basically followed the same policies as the Tories in this situation as that is what they said they would do.0 -
Originally Posted by BertieUK
Does the Forum Panel think that seeing the state that our economy is in at the moment, that a large percentage of the Electorate of Britain will themselves have experienced the stresses of trying to budget their families lives, many on a shoe string, will now be in a more responsable position to understand that the only way for change is to vote for it.
Vote for what? Putting politics aside. No single party has anything to offer the electorate. The sweet shop is empty. All that's left is a credit card bill that needs paying every month.
The party that wins the next election will need to be honest. As in the next 2 years. A whole generation are going to understand what recession actually means. As all they've experienced previously is booming house prices, cheaper goods in the shops and rising wages. Thanks to rapid advances in technology, loose credit lending conditions, cheaper labour in Asia and excess money in the economy due to a buy now pay later culture.
Days of these are numbered. A new dawn is on the horizon. We may sit on an island but we are not immune to global influences.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Vote for what? Putting politics aside. No single party has anything to offer the electorate. The sweet shop is empty. All that's left is a credit card bill that needs paying every month.
The party that wins the next election will need to be honest. As in the next 2 years. A whole generation are going to understand what recession actually means. As all they've experienced previously is booming house prices, cheaper goods in the shops and rising wages. Thanks to rapid advances in technology, loose credit lending conditions, cheaper labour in Asia and excess money in the economy due to a buy now pay later culture.
Days of these are numbered. A new dawn is on the horizon. We may sit on an island but we are not immune to global influences.
Do you believe a word of what you have written? Labour will win by telling the electorate that the magic money tree will allow them to spend spend spend.I think....0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Vote for what? Putting politics aside. No single party has anything to offer the electorate. The sweet shop is empty. All that's left is a credit card bill that needs paying every month.
The party that wins the next election will need to be honest. As in the next 2 years. A whole generation are going to understand what recession actually means. As all they've experienced previously is booming house prices, cheaper goods in the shops and rising wages. Thanks to rapid advances in technology, loose credit lending conditions, cheaper labour in Asia and excess money in the economy due to a buy now pay later culture.
Days of these are numbered. A new dawn is on the horizon. We may sit on an island but we are not immune to global influences.
What I mean is to vote for the Government that gives the best future for our country which hopefully can be chosen when their policies are put to the country but we will not know that until nearer the time of the Election.
Truth is the key that must be the main ingredient, not promises worded in a flashy Menu, I think that the public have lived through the mistakes that have been made by the grave errors that Labour made and the dismal progress of the present Government policies that we see at the moment, but nobody should give up so soon because a recovery could well be just around the corner.
When you have spent the wages on gambling that were meant to have kept food in the mouths of your family recovery cannot be expected to happen for quite some time.
We are as you say not immune to global influences, we never have been and never will and we are certainly not alone as other countries are having their issues as well.0 -
angrypirate wrote: »The Tories can win and Labour's lead in the poll is smaller than the one Labour had in the run up to the 92 election. Its just that the current boundaries give Labour effectively a rather undemocratic 20 seat head start. No surprise that Labour voted against it really. Labour have no interest in things being fair.
cameron needs to increase his % of the popular vote to win in 2015,no govt in modern times has done that0 -
Do you believe a word of what you have written? Labour will win by telling the electorate that the magic money tree will allow them to spend spend spend.
Labour won't do that. As soon as the election manifesto is published. The markets would hammer sterling into the ground. There's no foreign exchange reserves to fight back with. Soros would take the UK to the cleaners again.
Spend what though? Promises are words. Delivery is more difficult. Given the Global economy is equally likely to struggle. The UK is far from alone. Printing money will just add more hyperinflation into the system. Devaluing peoples savings and earnings even further.
A short sharp correction (akin Eire) will seem far more preferable. Than the slow grinding austerity we are currently facing.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Labour won't do that. As soon as the election manifesto is published. The markets would hammer sterling into the ground. There's no foreign exchange reserves to fight back with. Soros would take the UK to the cleaners again.
Sod the markets. A low sterling would at least make it easy to export, which is what we need to do - every cloud has a silver lining. The moves of the markets are always zero-sum; for every gain there is a loss. If you play both sides you'll break even at worst.Thrugelmir wrote: »Spend what though? Promises are words. Delivery is more difficult. Given the Global economy is equally likely to struggle. The UK is far from alone. Printing money will just add more hyperinflation into the system. Devaluing peoples savings and earnings even further.
A short sharp correction (akin Eire) will seem far more preferable. Than the slow grinding austerity we are currently facing.
The global economy has been in trouble since the 1973 oil crisis. The 80s boom was manufactured by Lawson's moronic tax cuts and revenue from North Sea oil - it could never last and it didn't.
There is no need to print money and cause inflation. This is what the BoE is doing with all the quantitative easing nonsense which doesn't help anyone. If anything it's Cameron who wants inflation, because the higher the inflation, the smaller the debt. The money has to be gotten from somewhere, but the Con-Dem approach is wrong. The better off need to pay more tax - simple as that - at the moment it's the middle and low income people who are hurting, and that can't work.0 -
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The better off need to pay more tax - simple as that
The to 1% of earners already pay at least 25% of total income tax.
It's admirable that you want to pay more though (I'm assuming by your statement that you're one of the "better off" & volunteering to pay more yourself - not just someone spouting how someone else should pay for everything).0
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