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Govt Defeated-Cons Losing Election More Likely
DecentLivingWage
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Camerons defeat on changing constituency boundaries yesterday was more comprehensive than even his rivals could have predicted- it looked as if not just lib/lab but every member of every party voted against him, even 4 of his own MPs voted to keep their (marginal?) constituency maps the same.
Basically, this means he can't now win because the maths is all wrong ('changing' the goal posts on the constituency boundaries would have given him 20ish more seats, seats he desperately needs in order to win a majority.) The bookies have shortened the odds even tighter for a Labour win. Top Cons are saying it has cost him the coming election.
Basically, this means he can't now win because the maths is all wrong ('changing' the goal posts on the constituency boundaries would have given him 20ish more seats, seats he desperately needs in order to win a majority.) The bookies have shortened the odds even tighter for a Labour win. Top Cons are saying it has cost him the coming election.
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The Tories can win and Labour's lead in the poll is smaller than the one Labour had in the run up to the 92 election. Its just that the current boundaries give Labour effectively a rather undemocratic 20 seat head start. No surprise that Labour voted against it really. Labour have no interest in things being fair.0
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Yay, it a victory for the self interest of MPs over democracy.
Regardless of political persuasion the principle of one man one vote is generally accepted as a good one. It becomes pretty meaningless when one persons vote is worth less than someone living in a different area whos MP is elected on a much smaller constituency.0 -
Nothing to do with reform of the other even less democratic house ..That a particular party felt the need to put the brakes on ??0
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angrypirate wrote: »The Tories can win and Labour's lead in the poll is smaller than the one Labour had in the run up to the 92 election. Its just that the current boundaries give Labour effectively a rather undemocratic 20 seat head start. No surprise that Labour voted against it really. Labour have no interest in things being fair.
how can they win?0 -
Will UKIP pick up the disgruntled vote in Labour strongholds?0
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Yay, it a victory for the self interest of MPs over democracy.
Regardless of political persuasion the principle of one man one vote is generally accepted as a good one. It becomes pretty meaningless when one persons vote is worth less than someone living in a different area whos MP is elected on a much smaller constituency.
This is what I took from the coverage of this yesterdat too.
We had a reporter standing outside westminster stating that Nick Clegg had instructed his MPs to vote against the change as a tactical vote against the tories, in retaliation for something that happened previously.
It was stated that labour would vote against it whatever, and the instruction for every motion put through parliament at the moment, in the reporters words, is to oppose.
All they were basically saying was "everyone is voting for their own parties". Fair representation for the people doesn't even enter the MPs minds.
Why should labour keep a 20 point head start by default? Why should the tories plan to take that head start for themselves? Why can't they just make it fair!?0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Will UKIP pick up the disgruntled vote in Labour strongholds?
According to yougov, the tories have picked up UKIP voting intentions over the last couple of weeks. Presumably due to the referendum pact.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »
All they were basically saying was "everyone is voting for their own parties". Fair representation for the people doesn't even enter the MPs minds.
That is the basic definition of the democracy we have ..0 -
DecentLivingWage wrote: »how can they win?
I keep saying this to you, but I'll try again.
Reagan and Obama mid - term were ceratin to loose come election time. Both won.
The economy is slowly healing, welfare reform is very popular and more people are getting jobs. If this carries on we should see a Tory win.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »According to yougov, the tories have picked up UKIP voting intentions over the last couple of weeks. Presumably due to the referendum pact.
Likewise where do Labour voters show their discontent with poor leadership?0
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