"I feel like a stranger where I live" - article in The Daily Telegraph

ozzage

I live a few minutes away from the picture in that article and have none of her issues. I'm white, but I'm not British so perhaps that's why.

It's certainly mixed, but no more than in other places. I feel that it's much more "ghettoised" in other parts of London which are more "mono-cultural", which is sometimes a problem. I don't feel that any single group really dominates here.

In summary, it's not "dodgy" and we can get decent olives at a reasonable price, as well as proper bread Good riddance to her I hope she leaves.

Tancred

This is all old news isn't it? Mass immigration came in the early 1960s when south Asians moved over here in droves - nothing new. It has got a lot worse in the last 15 years, for sure. When I was at school in rural Oxfordshire in the early 1980s there were two Chinese kids, on black girl and a couple of mulattoes in a school of 1000 kids. No south Asians at all. I'm sure it's a lot different now.

Tancred

Moby wrote: »

The nazis used to talk like this!

LOL!! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

What a load of bolloc*s!!

Tancred

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

Mass immigration over a short period is a mistake. Multiculturalism is a mistake. Positive discrimination is a mistake. None of it helps anyone to live a harmonious existence -- not the immigrants and not the endemic population.

Right on! :T

N1AK

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

As soon as one group is perceived as an oppressor and another as a victim those hopes are sunk.

On that we agree. There is one reason why I believe there should be some limited controls on UK immigration. Even though I think they benefit the economy, work hard and can benefit society, I believe that in general the UK population is too intolerant and misinformed to accept it . For the benefit of this forums population, although I take umbridge with much of what many of you say what is said here certainly is nothing compared to far too many of our countrymen.

What I would add is that I think immigration can be controlled, to some extent, by changing our benefits and taxation system to make working (even in low level roles) more attractive to UK unemployed and less attractive to the minority of foreigners who come here to abuse them.

Tancred

N1AK wrote: »

On that we agree. There is one reason why I believe there should be some limited controls on UK immigration. Even though I think they benefit the economy, work hard and can benefit society, I believe that in general the UK population is too intolerant and misinformed to accept it . For the benefit of this forums population, although I take umbridge with much of what many of you say what is said here certainly is nothing compared to far too many of our countrymen.

What I would add is that I think immigration can be controlled, to some extent, by changing our benefits and taxation system to make working (even in low level roles) more attractive to UK unemployed and less attractive to the minority of foreigners who come here to abuse them.

I think immigration should be stopped, not controlled. There is no evidence that it benefits the economy - and it harms social cohesion and puts huge pressure on public services. The rationale for immigration has always been that it benefits big business by keeping wages down and increasing competition for scarce jobs, but ordinary people certainly do not benefit.

GeorgeHowell

N1AK wrote: »

I believe that in general the UK population is too intolerant and misinformed to accept it . For the benefit of this forums population, although I take umbridge with much of what many of you say what is said here certainly is nothing compared to far too many of our countrymen.

I don't that's fair at all. Certainly there are racists around, but I have no doubt that some of them are among the ethnic minority communities.

Public policy has been to bring in very large numbers of immigrants in a short time to an already overcrowded country where public service are creaking at the seams, housing is in short supply, and unemployment already high. Moreover some of the immigrants do not want to integrate, prefer to stay within their own closed communities, and in some cases contain individuals who vociferously decry the way of life and values of the country in which they find themselves and threaten it with violence.

And you think that people reacting adversely to all of that represents intolerance and something to take umbrage over ?

I suggest that you think again.

N1AK

Tancred wrote: »

I think immigration should be stopped, not controlled. There is no evidence that it benefits the economy - and it harms social cohesion and puts huge pressure on public services. The rationale for immigration has always been that it benefits big business by keeping wages down and increasing competition for scarce jobs, but ordinary people certainly do not benefit.

To be blunt, you're ignorant of the evidence and facts that doesn't mean they don't exist. The budget projections make very clear that the number of workers must increase by more than the available supply of working age people from those already within the UK. We are in effect using immigrants to prop up our finances already. I'd have more sympathy for a reasoned argument about whether immigration benefits the economy in the long term; something that is more debatable.

I'd happily see immigration stopped if the economy had to be balanced by, crippling, additional taxes and pension cuts on those who wanted it to happen.

N1AK

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

And you think that people reacting adversely to all of that represents intolerance and something to take umbrage over ?

I suggest that you think again.

As you asked nicely I did. Obviously the word umbrage was used inappropriately as I do not myself feel slighted. I would however say that there is much said on here that I find ignorant and/or intolerant and that I find distasteful.

Never did I say, or imply, that I was referring to all anti-immigration sentiment on this board; you implying that was a straw man fallacy and I'd like to keep the discussion above those kinds of distortions.

sunshinetours

N1AK wrote: »

To be blunt, you're ignorant of the evidence and facts that doesn't mean they don't exist. The budget projections make very clear that the number of workers must increase by more than the available supply of working age people from those already within the UK. We are in effect using immigrants to prop up our finances already. I'd have more sympathy for a reasoned argument about whether immigration benefits the economy in the long term; something that is more debatable.

I'd happily see immigration stopped if the economy had to be balanced by, crippling, additional taxes and pension cuts on those who wanted it to happen.

Controlled immigration is always IMO a positive thing for progressive looking countries.
Uncontrolled immigration is however not.

Getting people out of benefit traps and cultures of not working is far more important IMO than opening the doors so others can fill these supposed jobs.

None of this however will happen probably in our lifetime or generation certainly.