Employee Off Site Parking Rights

Pete111

Gilbert2 wrote: »

A good solution in other circumstances.

However, why would one wish the expense of renting a parking space from someone when the road directly outside is free?

In effect it has already been paid for via various taxes as a motorist is able to use the public highways for driving, and parking, without restriction anyway. (Save for those roads that do have restrictions, the one in this thread do not).

Give it a few months....

Pete111

Gilbert2 wrote: »

Excellent point raised.

Whether people like it or not, Human Rights issues would be of issue here too.

Essentially, in the point above, the employer would actually be forbidding the employee how they should live their life.

It gets more ridiculous by the minute.

You are not wrong there...

OP please don't follow the advice of this poster. You will end up with no parking and be in trouble with your firm. That's the reality - Human rights or no.

Gilbert2

Pete111 wrote: »

You are not wrong there...

OP please don't follow the advice of this poster. You will end up with no parking and be in trouble with your firm. That's the reality - Human rights or no.

Even your resident lawyer, member lazydaisy, recognised this aspect as a potential problem.

I know it was a definite problem in another similar situation because my wife's employer retracted their similar decree citing, amongst other things, this very problem.

I only post what I have any experience of.

I suggest you do the same or else remain in the money savers arms talking about Big Brother and leave us adults to the more concerning issues.

Theres a good chap.

Pete111

Gilbert2 wrote: »

Even your resident lawyer, member lazydaisy, recognised this aspect as a potential problem.

I know it was a definite problem in another similar situation because my wife's employer retracted their similar decree citing, amongst other things, this very problem.

I only post what I have any experience of.

I suggest you do the same or else remain in the money savers arms talking about Big Brother and leave us adults to the more concerning issues.

Theres a good chap.

Oh dear. You appear to think I don't know what I'm talking about....how very quaint.

I say again. If the OP follows your advice, they will be doubling the problems they have to deal with. Face reality Gilbert, The parking is gone, either now if they accept the company stance, or in in a few months if they rail against it and force the council to enact residents parking.

Which bit of that do you not get? The company may or may not be incorrect in threatening to discipline staff who park locally but as Lasy Daisy quite correctly said, the only way to properly judge this is at ET...are you seriously suggesting staff should risk losing their livelihoods to test your theory? Even if the company backed down before an ET do you not think that folk who complained about this not will be remembered by Mgt? Believe me when I say that in this climate, it's the perceived troublemakers who are first in line when the redundancy fairy comes calling...

BTW I live very much in the real world. 13 years of HR experience tends to keep ones feet on the ground rather than in the airy fairy world of theoretical 'human rights' cases as imagined by someone on the web with a wife who once had a workplace dispute...

spacey2012

This thread shows just how big some peoples heads have become who "think they are in charge" a bit of tin pot power "I work in HR" big deal.
You are no ore immune than those on the shop floor when the time comes, you are a worker like them.
Next you will think you can tell them what colour underwear their wife can wear.
Get real, get back to your desks and stop pontificating imaginary authority over co-workers.

Acc72

It's times like this I wish that a certain poster was still around ....

My initial thoughts are that this is the equivalent of the employer dictating what supermarket you shop at or saying that you can't watch Coronation Street.

But I may be wrong- that is the problem with the internet ....


OP - please post your question on www.redundancyforum.co.uk where an employment law barrister will let you have a definitive answer.

Pete111

spacey2012 wrote: »

This thread shows just how big some peoples heads have become who "think they are in charge" a bit of tin pot power "I work in HR" big deal.
You are no ore immune than those on the shop floor when the time comes, you are a worker like them.
Next you will think you can tell them what colour underwear their wife can wear.
Get real, get back to your desks and stop pontificating imaginary authority over co-workers.

I'm at my desk....It's very real thanks.

Forgive me for imagining the OP would value realistic advice on their employee relations query from us HR bods/Employment lawers than random thoughts from say, 'Gary in Buildings Maintenence'. Just like I imagine 'Gary in Buildings Maintenence' might be of rather more use than us HR types when advice on how to fix an air conditioning unit is needed for example.

Or is that big headed of me too?

Gilbert2

Pete111 wrote: »

Oh dear. You appear to think I don't know what I'm talking about....how very quaint.

You got that right, maybe there is hope that I need not put you on ignore.

I say again. If the OP follows your advice, they will be doubling the problems they have to deal with. Face reality Gilbert, The parking is gone, either now if they accept the company stance, or in in a few months if they rail against it and force the council to enact residents parking.

You cannot in any way possibly determine that a council that you have no idea of is planning on restricting this road.

What an utterly useless statement.

Which bit of that do you not get? The company may or may not be incorrect in threatening to discipline staff who park locally but as Lasy Daisy quite correctly said, the only way to properly judge this is at ET...are you seriously suggesting staff should risk losing their livelihoods to test your theory? Even if the company backed down before an ET do you not think that folk who complained about this not will be remembered by Mgt? Believe me when I say that in this climate, it's the perceived troublemakers who are first in line when the redundancy fairy comes calling...

You need to learn the basics of employment relations.

Employers are not above the law and are very often proved not to be.

The OP has sought advice and he is getting it. Nobody has advocated he risk his job, he is seeking advice.

We don't know from what has been posted whether there is union representation or anything else.

We don't know if this particular employer is a bit of a pain and that this latest incident is just the last straw for the OP and he may be looking to move on anyway.

He may have a skill that is in demand and that he will get another job quicker than you can click your fingers.

We know only what has been posted, nobody is suggesting anything drastic and he is simply seeking advice, which is what he is receiving.

Now, do you get that?

BTW I live very much in the real world. 13 years of HR experience tends to keep ones feet on the ground rather than in the airy fairy world of theoretical 'human rights' cases as imagined by someone on the web with a wife who once had a workplace dispute...


Oooh 13 years is it? 13 years of what you were once called a personnel bod?

A paper shuffler?

Is that meant to impress?

I could also accuse you of imagining things too but I won't, I'm not so childish.

The difference between you and I is that I know what I am on about. Let the OP get some real advice shall we?

Let the OP call ACAS or get free telephone advice from a lawyer via their home insurance, or a firm that offers this free on first consultation, and then let's see who's talking nonsense, shall we?

Pathetic.......

Gilbert2

Pete111 wrote: »

I'm at my desk....It's very real thanks.

Forgive me for imagining the OP would value realistic advice on their employee relations query from us HR bods/Employment lawers

Oh get over yourself!

How on earth can you have the nerve to bracket your job with a professional career?

Your'e some bloke in a stuffy office who clearly has delusions of grandeur! There's plenty with your skills down the job centre who could fill your boots tomorrow.....

.....and do a better job by the sound of it!:D

Pete111

*Sigh*

Gilbert. Why do you think the council approached the company in the first place? Because of resident complaints. What do you think a council does if it has an identified parking issue that is not subsequently resolved? That's right! It resolves the problem (and raises revenue) by installing residents parking. If you refuse to believe this as (at teh very least) a very strong possibility then your grasp of reality is even more limited than I imagined.

Oh and please feel free to disparage my HR qualifications, my 13 years experience and the fact that I earn nearly 4 times the average UK wage doing what I do (I must be a very good paper shuffler eh?) As long as the OP doesn't listen to your initially misguided and subsequently abusive ramblings I will consider my work here is done.

P
P.S I see you recommend calling ACAS for a definitive opinion. Thanks for confirming the level to which you are out of your depth.