Is this right - PIP Timetable.

dori2o

Taken from disabilityrightsuk website http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/f60.htm

Timetable for the introduction of PIP

Personal independence payment assessment timeline

From 8 April 2013 - An initial pilot of a few thousand new PIP claims in the North West and parts of the North East of England. The postcodes affected are:
BL, CA, CH (except CH5, CH6, CH7 and CH8), CW, DH, DL (except DL6, DL7, DL8, DL9, DL10 and DL11), FY, L, LA (except LA2 7, LA2 8, LA6 2 and LA6 3), M, NE, PR, SR, TS (except TS9), WA and WN.
No existing DLA claimants will be asked to claim PIP at this point. DLA recipients will also not be allowed to make a PIP claim (“self-selectors”).

From June 2013 - New claims to PIP will be taken in all remaining areas of Great Britain. The DWP will not accept new claims for DLA from anyone aged 16-64, unless they are making a renewal claim from a fixed term DLA award which is due to expire before the end of February 2014. These claimants will re-claim DLA, and where entitlement continues will be invited to claim PIP at a later stage.


From October 2013 - The following DLA recipients will begin to be invited to claim PIP:

• Children turning 16 (unless the child is terminally ill)
• People reporting changes of circumstances which would affect their rate of payment (this does not include payability decisions as a result of going into a care home, hospital or prison or other changes of circumstances e.g. change of address). The rate of DLA will not be adjusted;
• Fixed-term DLA award recipients whose award expires from the end of February 2014 (reassessment activity starts approximately 20 weeks before existing DLA awards end); and
• Self-selectors (includes those with indefinite or fixed-term awards).

From October 2015 - All the remaining claimants in receipt of a DLA award will be invited to make a claim for PIP. DWP will randomly select those recipients of DLA in receipt of an indefinite award or a fixed term award, and notify them about what they need to do to claim PIP. DWP will invite claims as early as possible from recipients who have turned 65 after 8 April 2013, when PIP was first introduced.

I am most interested in the Blue highlighted bit.

My DLA runs to 11/01/2014. Am I right to assume then as it says 'Fixed-term DLA award recipients whose award expires from the end of February 2014' that I will not be forced at that time to claim PIP, and will instead be issued with a new DLA claim form?

I have always been under the impression that ANY DLA claims that end after October 2013 would be re-assessed as PIP.

Could this be due to the fact they seem to need 20 weeks in order to complete assessment?

Also, The guidance says, 'An initial pilot of a few thousand new PIP claims in the North West and parts of the North East of England.' I live in the North West, but the postcodes that are affected do not include OL which covers Oldham and Rochdale.

Is this likely a typing error or are these areas not included in the trial?

zzzLazyDaisy

Re the bit in blue:

I agree, it looks confusing.

What it means is that if you do nothing, you will be moved to PIP when your current DLA award expires.

BUT after Oct 2013, people in the groups specified will be invited to move to PIP earlier if they so wish....

(why would anyone do that?)

dori2o

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

Re the bit in blue:

I agree, it looks confusing.

What it means is that if you do nothing, you will be moved to PIP when your current DLA award expires.

BUT after Oct 2013, people in the groups specified will be invited to move to PIP earlier if they so wish....

(why would anyone do that?)

But my award expires 11 Jan 2014, and that wording specifically states

'Fixed-term DLA award recipients whose award expires from the end of February 2014'

Which I take to mean I will be invited to apply for PIP if I so want to, however, I should receive a new DLA claim as my award runs out before the end of February 2014.

There is nothing to say that if this is the case, they only give me a 12 month award and force me to apply for PIP on Jan 2015.

Why do they make it so complicated.

zzzLazyDaisy

My mistake, apologies.


This information might be easier to understand

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/policy/disability/personal-independence-payment/#wpi

Existing DLA claimants

Existing Disability Living Allowance claimants who are aged 16 to 64 on 8 April 2013 will be affected by the introduction of Personal Independence Payment, even if they have an indefinite or lifetime award of DLA.
We will write to all existing DLA claimants in February and March 2013 with more information.
Personal Independence Payment is being introduced in stages over a number of years.

• October 2013 – if an individual reports a change in how a health condition or disability affects them, they reach the end of an existing award of DLA, or they are approaching the age of 16, then we will invite them to claim Personal Independence Payment.
• From 2015 – we will start to contact everyone else receiving DLA (unless they report a change in how their health condition or disability affects them, or if their award is due to end). We will write to individuals in plenty of time and they do not need to contact DWP now.

There is no automatic transfer from Disability Living Allowance to Personal Independence Payment.

rogerblack

dori2o wrote: »

Taken from disabilityrightsuk website http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/f60.htm




I am most interested in the Blue highlighted bit.

My DLA runs to 11/01/2014. Am I right to assume then as it says 'Fixed-term DLA award recipients whose award expires from the end of February 2014' that I will not be forced at that time to claim PIP, and will instead be issued with a new DLA claim form?

I have always been under the impression that ANY DLA claims that end after October 2013 would be re-assessed as PIP.

Could this be due to the fact they seem to need 20 weeks in order to complete assessment?

The reassessment activity begins 20 weeks earlier than the end of the award.
So, it's not the end of the award that is the important date, but the date at which the reasessment occurs.
If your DLA reassessment begins before October 13, (as it would for one ending in Feb 14), then you are reasessed for DLA.
Otherwise PIP.
Consider that you're sent a claim form significantly in advance of the old one ending for example, and that there is activity to look at the claim prior to that.

dori2o

rogerblack wrote: »

The reassessment activity begins 20 weeks earlier than the end of the award.
So, it's not the end of the award that is the important date, but the date at which the reasessment occurs.
If your DLA reassessment begins before October 13, (as it would for one ending in Feb 14), then you are reasessed for DLA.
Otherwise PIP.
Consider that you're sent a claim form significantly in advance of the old one ending for example, and that there is activity to look at the claim prior to that.

Sorry, I'm being a bit thick, and I am in a rush as I have a counseling session to get to so can't get my head around it.

Lets see if I have this right.

IF your assessment date for DLA, is prior to October 2013, then you will be assessed for DLA?

How do you work out the assessment date? Is it the end date less 20 weeks? In which case mine would be 24/08/2013 (11/01/14 less 20 weeks).

System

my dd has just recieved an indefinate award does the new pip rules mean she may have to apply again ?

easy

From October 2015 - All the remaining claimants in receipt of a DLA award will be invited to make a claim for PIP. DWP will randomly select those recipients of DLA in receipt of an indefinite award or a fixed term award, and notify them about what they need to do to claim PIP. DWP will invite claims as early as possible from recipients who have turned 65 after 8 April 2013, when PIP was first introduced.

Sooo, I have nothing to worry about then, until October 2015 at the earliest - I have an indefinite award, I'm in my 50s.
After that date, I will be INVITED to make a claim for PIP ????

Invited !!!! Blummin' 'eck, it isn't a party you know ....

Presumably this invitation will say something along the lines of "We are stopping payment of DLA, if you want to stand any chance at all of continuing to receive the money you rely on to 'level the playing field' between you and non-disabled folk, please spend several days of your life filling in this form, then come and let some nurse/Dr/unqualified person interrogate you about why you can't walk/fasten up your own buttons/get yourself in & out of the shower/whatever"

If I decline the invitation, no money then ??? or can I stay on DLA until I die/get better (ha)/reach the age of 70 when my original indefinite award was due to be re-assessed anyway ???

And anyway, given that there is going to be a general election before Oct 2015, the whole shooting match could change again !!

zzzLazyDaisy

easy wrote: »

And anyway, given that there is going to be a general election before Oct 2015, the whole shooting match could change again !!

Yep. Hands up those who are going to vote for this lot?

Nope, I thought not.

Now for the difficult question... just who are we going to vote for? Does anyone really believe that Labour will halt or reverse these changes?

Not me for one

Richie-from-the-Boro

Amongst many other things the assessment criteria for PIP is still being finalised, nothing, nothing is yet set in stone

The roadmap first posted #14 - 12 months ago, updated #1 - 4 months ago

- as far as I'm aware the last roadmap on PIP has not been updated since September last year

Once a decision has been reached on a claim to PIP it will be communicated to the claimant. The notification will clearly state when their DLA will end and the date from which PIP payments will commence, or the reason for dis-allowance.

If entitlement has been established, payment of personal independence payment will begin shortly after the decision notice is sent. Payment of DLA will end the day before payment of PIP begins ensuring there will be no break. Where entitlement to personal independence payment has not been established the DLA will stop shortly after the decision notice has been sent.

There is no right of appeal in respect of the ending of DLA. The claimant will however have dispute rights against the personal independence payment decision.

zzzLazyDaisy

Thanks for this Richie. Very helpful.

Out of interest, do you know what the difference is between 'right of appeal' and 'dispute rights', if any?

Dx