Value for money Washing machine/dishwasher

abankerbutnotafatcat

ShandyAndy wrote: »

Heard Miele cost a fortune to repair though!:eek:

But if you get a 10 year parts and labour warranty that isn't a concern for quite some time. I agree with you about their service costs though.

Our local independent white goods specialists (RDO in Reigate) advised that Miele WMs were built to last c12-15 years and their next best recommended machine, Siemens c8-10 years (can't remember exactly). He said that the cheaper brands were only built to last 1-3 years. A real case of you get what you pay for. The price of WMs has relatively reduced massively and something had to give in that equation.

I have also been advised to, as a general rule, buy the cheapest model in the most expensive brand I could afford as brands tend to use the same quality components in most machines in their range.

CKdesigner

ShandyAndy wrote: »

Heard Miele cost a fortune to repair though!:eek:

Any manufacturer's own repair man service is expensive with generally £100 + call out charges. But there are plenty of well trained independent Miele service agents around who are much more realistic with prices.

Some people say Miele parts are expensive and frankly yes they are, but its not as straight forward as that. For example, years ago Which did a review comparing repair costs and on the face of it Miele didn't fair well. They compared the cost to exchange a washing machine motor on different brands, obviously the Miele cost was more than double that of any other brand but what they didn't mention was that the Miele washing motors virtually never need changing. What can sometimes ware out is the motor brushes that can be relatively easily changed at a much lower cost.

If you can possibly stretch your budget to a bottom end Miele then do it. To me its a 'no brainer', in every respect it will be a far superior machine to any other on the market up to £1,000. (From any other brand).

CK

CKdesigner

mervyn11 wrote: »

We have a Bosch dishwasher & a Bosch washing machine.
Both have worked well.
Mid price range, simple & cheap to repair if needed.
Miele seem to me to be vastly overpriced but thats just my opinion.
Heck....just looked on the net....some of the Miele machines are over £1300 !!!!!!

And worth every penny!

Miele have a much higher customer approval rating than almost any other company you could care to think of. And I don't just mean just appliance manufacturers, I mean ANY company!

If you think £1,300 is a lot for a washing machine - at home we recently changed our 10 year old Miele washing machine for a V-Zug. Incredibly well engineered Swiss make, this machine is £2,500! Would I pay £2,500 for it normally? No probably not (because I personally couldn't justify it) but is it worth £2,500? If you were 'well off' and wanted the best, then yes its worth it.

And then to be completely mad, I have just found out V-Zug are just about to bring out a new washing machine that is rated as A+++ -40% for energy! (which is pretty incredible) but this machine will be around £4,000!

I'm happy to take pre-orders now if anyone is interested!

CK

gavinh1175

ShandyAndy wrote: »

Heard Miele cost a fortune to repair though!:eek:

Miele do a good warranty on their washing machines:

Lifetime guarantee on door hinges.

Lifetime guarantee on white front panels against corrosion and yellowing.

Machines with waterproof system – guaranteed against flooding.

10 year guarantee against the breakdown of the washing machine drum, outer tub, axle, bearings and * brushless motor.

Miele were out of my budget, so I settled for a Siemens instead (5 year parts & labour warranty on the model I bought).

greyteam1959

CKdesigner wrote: »

And worth every penny!

Miele have a much higher customer approval rating than almost any other company you could care to think of. And I don't just mean just appliance manufacturers, I mean ANY company!

If you think £1,300 is a lot for a washing machine - at home we recently changed our 10 year old Miele washing machine for a V-Zug. Incredibly well engineered Swiss make, this machine is £2,500! Would I pay £2,500 for it normally? No probably not (because I personally couldn't justify it) but is it worth £2,500? If you were 'well off' and wanted the best, then yes its worth it.

And then to be completely mad, I have just found out V-Zug are just about to bring out a new washing machine that is rated as A+++ -40% for energy! (which is pretty incredible) but this machine will be around £4,000!

I'm happy to take pre-orders now if anyone is interested!

CK

I suppose Loterry winners have to spend their money on something !!!
:D

sillygoose

The actual mechanics of many Bosch and Siemens machines are the same, the Siemens are more premium because of the extras such as better controls, more self cleaning surfaces and so on. An example, my Siemens oven can be bought in a cheaper Bosch version that is intrinsically the same, the bits that wear out the most such as fans and elements are the same. The Siemens has a better control system with super fast warm up (it uses all the elements to get ready quicker then goes to the required mode), fully electronic temperature control, you dial in 185C and that is exactly what you get (my wife who is the manic baker tells me it makes things more predictable and consistent), it also has a full compliment of self cleaning faces. None of which will make it more reliable but just 'nicer' so was worth the extra for me.
Same applies to many of their dishwashers, same mechanics, nicer control panels, more choice of cycles and so on.
Buying a cheaper Bosch isn't automatically a gamble as often your getting the same essential bits (its not worth making different standards in mass production) just less 'features' most of which are added at the end of the line to the same core 'shell'

I have no qualms about buying Bosch if it offers what I want and have done so with several appliances.

(I should add I work for Bosch/Siemens but NOT in appliance sector, but I am an engineer that knows quality, and I get staff discount so a bit of a no brainer yes, but many of my Bosch appliance still running happily pre-date my time at the company (many years) so I chose them on merit)

tuttifruiti20

I would definitely recommend a Bosch dishwasher or washing machine having nothing but good things to say about them.

(I will point out that I don't work for Bosch/Siemens!)

jimi_man

ShandyAndy wrote: »

Heard Miele cost a fortune to repair though!:eek:

I can't answer that one as I don't know! I've had mine 10 years so far with not a hint of a problem. My father has a similar model which he's had for about 15 without any problems.

Buy cheap, pay twice. Or save up and buy the best available.

scottishblondie

I would go for a Bosch - I've got a Bosch washing machine, a tumble drier and a dishwasher. They're all great machines and I've never had any trouble.

jimi_man

jimi_man wrote: »

I can't answer that one as I don't know! I've had mine 10 years so far with not a hint of a problem. My father has a similar model which he's had for about 15 without any problems.

Buy cheap, pay twice. Or save up and buy the best available.

Having come across the original receipt for my washing machine, it is in fact 13 years old not 10!!! How time flies!

We have a Miele Hob as well, a Miele hoover and when the fridge packs up I shall replace it with a Miele too!