It cannot be right (Sun £9.50 train vouchers)

miduck

qetu1357 wrote: »

In your opinion.

7 million readers obviously think different.

That's 7 million people that really should stay at home. That paper represents scum and anyone that reads it should be ashamed.

qetu1357

miduck wrote: »

That's 7 million people that really should stay at home. That paper represents scum and anyone that reads it should be ashamed.

Well I read it and I don't feel ashamed to read it.

I would feel ashamed if I thought the entire readership of a paper or an audience of a TV program should feel ashamed.

How does it represent scum?

LunaLady

qetu1357 wrote: »

Sure do

http://www.nrs.co.uk/toplinereadership.html

Click on newspapers

The Sun 2560k ABC1 readers The Guardian 950k.

Is there anywhere which breaks it down further? Grouping A, B and C1 together doesnt really show a fair picture.

miduck

qetu1357 wrote: »

Well I read it and I don't feel ashamed to read it.

I would feel ashamed if I thought the entire readership of a paper or an audience of a TV program should feel ashamed.

How does it represent scum?

Do you need this explaining to you? How about all the lies that were knowingly told about the Liverpool 96 for a start? Do you think that is acceptable? What view do you think Millie Dowler's family have of the paper? People that post vile lies and knowingly cause hurt to grieving parents are scum.

qetu1357

LunaLady wrote: »

Is there anywhere which breaks it down further? Grouping A, B and C1 together doesnt really show a fair picture.

I think you have to pay NRS for that information.

I would wager that ABs would still have more Sun readers.

pmduk

qetu1357 wrote: »

So you have the same snobbery/common sense against readers of the Sunday Times and people who view Sky Arts?

Yes, of course

qetu1357

miduck wrote: »

Do you need this explaining to you? How about all the lies that were knowingly told about the Liverpool 96 for a start? Do you think that is acceptable? What view do you think Millie Dowler's family have of the paper? People that post vile lies and knowingly cause hurt to grieving parents are scum.

Mr MacKenzie, who wrote the headline The Truth on the controversial report, said in a statement: "Today I offer my profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool for that headline.

"I too was totally misled. Twenty three ago I was handed a piece of copy from a reputable news agency in Sheffield in which a senior police officer and a senior local MP were making serious allegations against fans in the stadium.

"I had absolutely no reason to believe that these authority figures would lie and deceive over such a disaster.

"As the Prime Minister has made clear these allegations were wholly untrue and were part of a concerted plot by police officers to discredit the supporters thereby shifting the blame for the tragedy from themselves.

"It has taken more than two decades, 400,000 documents and a two-year inquiry to discover to my horror that it would have been far more accurate had I written the headline The Lies rather than The Truth.

"I published in good faith and I am sorry that it was so wrong."

How is that knowingly teling lies?

miduck

qetu1357 wrote: »

Mr MacKenzie, who wrote the headline The Truth on the controversial report, said in a statement: "Today I offer my profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool for that headline.

"I too was totally misled. Twenty three ago I was handed a piece of copy from a reputable news agency in Sheffield in which a senior police officer and a senior local MP were making serious allegations against fans in the stadium.

"I had absolutely no reason to believe that these authority figures would lie and deceive over such a disaster.

"As the Prime Minister has made clear these allegations were wholly untrue and were part of a concerted plot by police officers to discredit the supporters thereby shifting the blame for the tragedy from themselves.

"It has taken more than two decades, 400,000 documents and a two-year inquiry to discover to my horror that it would have been far more accurate had I written the headline The Lies rather than The Truth.

"I published in good faith and I am sorry that it was so wrong."

How is that knowingly teling lies?

You'll believe anything they tell you, won't you!

Most of us were smart enough to see through the rubbish they spouted. I take it you are not?

LunaLady

Why did it take 23 years when the facts as the police presented them came into question much, much sooner.

He said it to save his own bacon, not because he felt he needed to apologise.

qetu1357

miduck wrote: »

You'll believe anything they tell you, won't you!

Most of us were smart enough to see through the rubbish they spouted. I take it you are not?

You really shouldn't assume that just someone doesn't agree with you that they are either gullible or dumb. I don't of you so why do you of me?

And have you read the Hillsborough Report?

http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/report/HIP_report.pdf

Where does that say the Sun intentionally lied or was part of a consipracy to tell lies?