slow drivers

arcon5

What if you're first at a traffic light and hit NSL down the line... there is a chance you are the front car with a line of cars behind you in a few miles time - doesn't make you a menace
If you drive at the NSL then as per the OP, there is no issue.

But if you don't drive at NSL there is an issue ?! There's exactly the problem.

For example, lets take a new driver, recently passed their test, no longer driving with the comfort of instruction and dual-controls, limited real life driving experience.. what do you think is safer?

- driving at 45mph, a speed at which they feel comfortable
- driving at 60mph to avoid holding up the person behind them, therefore feeling under pressure, out of their comfort zone and more likely to make a mistake.

Hardly the same thing. Really? I think it's a fair analogy.

Letting somebody walk past you in the street takes seconds. Pulling over means slowing down further to come to a halt then re-joining the carriageway safely and regaining speed.

Hardly comparable.

Gilbert2

brat wrote: »

But it may be their optimum speed for the road. You may feel more comfortable driving 10mph quicker. They may not, because their skill/experience level is lower than yours. Let them drive at the speed that suits them, and when you get your chance, you can make a safe overtake and move to your optimum speed.

Simple.

What?

It is not what suites them at all, you wouldn't drive like that in a test and give that reason because you would get a fail.

They have passed the test, their skill level is at a minimum standard at the very least.

And that means to not drive without due care, which is what a slow driver is doing if causing problems for other road users.

Gilbert2

arcon5 wrote: »

But if you don't drive at NSL there is an issue ?! There's exactly the problem.

For example, lets take a new driver, recently passed their test, no longer driving with the comfort of instruction and dual-controls, limited real life driving experience.. what do you think is safer?

- driving at 45mph, a speed at which they feel comfortable
- driving at 60mph to avoid holding up the person behind them, therefore feeling under pressure, out of their comfort zone and more likely to make a mistake.

.

Rubbish.

If the new driver has just passed their test then they will know full well, and would have been tested, to drive to the road laws and regulations.

Driving slowly causing other road users problems is an offence, driving at what they feel comfortable with cuts no mustard if that comfort zone for them is a problem for others.

A driver may feel more comfortable driving at 80mph on a motorway, so what? Still an offence.

Ridiculous post.

MrsE_2

martinthebandit wrote: »

I think you will find that generally there are small repeater speed limit signs on lampposts if the speed limit is anything other than 30.

I believe there is even a little book that explains all about it

No lamp posts on unlit country roads

MrsE_2

martinthebandit wrote: »

OK it seems some posters are getting hung up on parts of my original question that are not really relevant, let me rephrase it.

If you do not drive at, or close to the speed limit, WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO, would you care explain why?

Once I had a car full of delicate pots I had purchased in Ikea, I took it really really easy over the bumpy/holey/speed ramped roads.

Another time I had a flat & had to drive to the garage about 250 yards away at a crawl (all but 50 yards of this was on a small residential road) I put my hazzards on. An idiot behind me was going insane:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
She was even hollaring & hooting (it was another woman:eek:) when I was stopped waiting to go right into the garage drive:eek:

MrsE_2

martinthebandit wrote: »

I suspect your right they are not intentionally dictating others speed they are just driving without considering the effect they are having on others, so about as inconsiderate as those that drive faster than the speed limit then.


Think that is option 3, don't you?

I don't agree that slow drivers are as bad as speeders. The only people killed by slow drivers are idiots who get impatient angry & stupid & over take dangerously.
Speeders kill people.

custardy

steve-L wrote: »

Road and condition of the road are rarely a reason for an accident.

Far more common are other conditions such as a kid running into the road, an idiot who's car could go round a corner at 90 going into it at 50 and then pressing the brake...when he could have driven round it at 50 and instead understeers and hits a tree

Your idea of driving relative to the road and conditions might be different to the Ambulance you are fusing to pull over and let past.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

where did I post that gem?

You think 'conditions' simply relate to the road?

MrsE_2

ILW wrote: »

If I get any fool flashing their lights and tailgating me, i tend to slow down a lot and take up as much of the road a necessary to stop them passing. You can virtualy feel their blood pressure rising.

I was tailgated recently in the snow/ice. He was flashing & tailgating.
I freely admit I DO drive slowly when its snowy or icy.

I don't try & stop them over taking, I'm glad if they
do.

But the one tail gating me in the snow/ice wouldn't. Despite being a fairly straight road & dark (you can "see" better at night with lights). Just on my tail flashing..........

I'm a fairly nippy driver when its not snowy/icy, but I don't tailgate or intimidate - just overtake (if safe).

steve-L

custardy wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

where did I post that gem?

You think 'conditions' simply relate to the road?

Erm, by definition if it's NSL yes. Otherwise it would have been classed as a 50.

Of course if its country fair and cars are parked at the verge then that's different but the THREAD is about National speed limit roads.

Hence why schools etc. are pointless arguments.....
The THREAD is about driving on NSL roads... not past schools, not through town.

People who drive at 40 in a NSL need to be assessed unless there is an obvious hazard. If they think it's OK they need to retake their test, just like people who think its OK to do 50 in a 30 zone because they feel 'comfortable' at that speed.

MrsE wrote:

I don't agree that slow drivers are as bad as speeders. The only people killed by slow drivers are idiots who get impatient angry & stupid & over take dangerously.
Speeders kill people.

How?

People who speed can kill people, people who are UNFIT to drive at the proper speed kill people BECAUSE they are unfit to drive.

Once I had a car full of delicate pots I had purchased in Ikea, I took it really really easy over the bumpy/holey/speed ramped roads.

Unless you can show me a speed ramped road that is NSL what has that got to do with the posters question?

We are not talking about driving to the garage with a flat or coming back from Ikea with plant pots but why people drive at 40 in a 60 (NSL) zone (and don't pull over).

I put my hazzards on. An idiot behind me was going insane

Hence we are not talking about that.... you realised you were going slow AND put your hazards on!!! The other driver was the idiot!!! I don't mind if the other driver is just looking for a turn off and doing 35 in a NSL....

What is wrong is people who decide what conditions are SAFE for everyone... mainly because these people are impaired and usually would be unable to pass a driving test.

alastairq

In my experience, if the slow[er] vehicle does 'pull over', then the next vehicle takes its place.....and find that the original leader was in fact pretty much spot-on with low risk speed than first thought...so they become the new 'slow' driver.....and so on. Really? How much experience is that, exactly, just out of curiousity? I've had 33 years of cross country commuting, and I beg to differ.

'experience' really is irrelevant.... I have maybe five days experience, or perhaps 50 years experience...totally meaningless.

I spend my working days out on the roads, observing....not sitting behind a desk, or worrying about keeping to a schedule.

As I have said before, ''if the cap fits....?''

So if it doesn't apply to you, whooptidoo....

If maybe it does strike a chord??

then the outcome is again up to you..... matters not to me.....even if I am sharing the same bit of road as you.