slow drivers

arcon5

martinthebandit wrote: »

Ah, fair enough, the good old ignore the question, have a pop at the questioner technique.

The current theory appears to be that I am an irresponsible old fogey who should hand his licence back, which, from reading the posts on here by the people who appear to think that, I find strangely amusing.

Well I wouldn't say you probably deserve to have your licence revoked, in all honesty you're probably not an unsafe driver -- but do seem to be applying a one size fits all type approach to driving.

To be honest i'm not sure i'd feel comfortable driving a rickety old Micra at 60 down any road - which seems to be the car of choice for many aging citizens

brat

martinthebandit wrote: »

Well *now I have realised just how aggressive and intolerant some of them can be I will take that into account while driving, so yes in a way.

Not even you could adduce *this from your straw poll into the attitudes that cause drivers to drive slower than you would like.

martinthebandit wrote: »

Although, probably I will just smile to myself and sit in the queue behind them as usual.

I believe your feigned smug condescension belying a deep frustration at other motorists inadequacies will have a negative effect on your driving attitude. You need to lose the frustration caused by your belief in your own superiority to make the roads a little safer for all.

splishsplash

I think it should be obvious that if you accumulate a queue of cars behind you and there are no cars in front of you, YOU are the problem. Whether you think the conditions are unsafe or not is not the point - the other drivers are clearly happy to go faster than you, and you should have the common courtesy to get out of the way.
If you were walking on a footpath and people walking faster than you caught up with you, they would say 'excuse me', you would step aside and they could continue on their way. Why not show the same common courtesy behind the wheel of your car?

There really is only one option if you're holding up traffic, option 3.

(Female, almost 50, driving 33+ years).

arcon5

splishsplash wrote: »

I think it should be obvious that if you accumulate a queue of cars behind you and there are no cars in front of you, YOU are the problem.

What if you're first at a traffic light and hit NSL down the line... there is a chance you are the front car with a line of cars behind you in a few miles time - doesn't make you a menace

Whether you think the conditions are unsafe or not is not the point - the other drivers are clearly happy to go faster than you, and you should have the common courtesy to get out of the way.

It's exactly the point - you drive how you feel safe not the car behind you.

If you were walking on a footpath and people walking faster than you caught up with you, they would say 'excuse me', you would step aside and they could continue on their way. Why not show the same common courtesy behind the wheel of your car?

Hardly the same thing.


It is you that is the problem if you think everybody elses drive should revolve around what you want. Some people require a few extra seconds to process the information around them so adjusting their speed to reflect their reaction times is safer and acceptable

martinthebandit

brat wrote: »

Not even you could adduce *this from your straw poll into the attitudes that cause drivers to drive slower than you would like.

Really? Seems a not unreasonable deduction from some of the comments I have had aimed at me on here.

brat wrote: »

I believe your feigned smug condescension belying a deep frustration at other motorists inadequacies will have a negative effect on your driving attitude. You need to lose the frustration caused by your belief in your own superiority to make the roads a little safer for all.

Lol, just lol :cool:

martinthebandit

splishsplash wrote: »

I think it should be obvious that if you accumulate a queue of cars behind you and there are no cars in front of you, YOU are the problem. Whether you think the conditions are unsafe or not is not the point - the other drivers are clearly happy to go faster than you, and you should have the common courtesy to get out of the way.
If you were walking on a footpath and people walking faster than you caught up with you, they would say 'excuse me', you would step aside and they could continue on their way. Why not show the same common courtesy behind the wheel of your car?

There really is only one option if you're holding up traffic, option 3.

(Female, almost 50, driving 33+ years).

Well, a little harsh maybe, but I do understand your point.

Is all about common courtesy really.

brat

martinthebandit wrote: »

Really? Seems a not unreasonable deduction from some of the comments I have had aimed at me on here.



Lol, just lol :cool:

So, more non-answers, and a failure to recognise in oneself what others are seeing.

That's what this thread has evidenced, not any suggestion that some drivers drive slowly primarily through lack of consideration.

alastairq

splishsplash wrote: »

I think it should be obvious that if you accumulate a queue of cars behind you and there are no cars in front of you, YOU are the problem. Whether you think the conditions are unsafe or not is not the point - the other drivers are clearly happy to go faster than you, and you should have the common courtesy to get out of the way.
If you were walking on a footpath and people walking faster than you caught up with you, they would say 'excuse me', you would step aside and they could continue on their way. Why not show the same common courtesy behind the wheel of your car?

There really is only one option if you're holding up traffic, option 3.

(Female, almost 50, driving 33+ years).

Totally disagree.

{Are you implying that, if your vehicle has a lower lawful speed limit, and one acquires a queue of vehicles behind with a higher speed limit, one should pull over and stop to allow that traffic to pass?

Not so! Imagine if every LGV did that, we'd have the world's largest lorry park, and the shops would run out of goods very quickly.]


The creation of a convoy [aka queue] of vehicle behind doesn't often happen very rapidly. Some will go faster than others. Doesn't make them any more competent or 'correct'.

As I mentioned earlier, too many drivers take their 'queue' from the vehicles ahead.....assuming that if those other drivers are fine at a faster speed, then so should we be?

Most of us drive like lemmings. [follow those in front, do what they do].

In my experience, if the slow[er] vehicle does 'pull over', then the next vehicle takes its place.....and find that the original leader was in fact pretty much spot-on with low risk speed than first thought...so they become the new 'slow' driver.....and so on.

It is then the original slow driver that becomes impeded.

Why not overtake the slow driver?

What?

Can't do it because of the road condition's?

Well, if one cannot make full use of the carriageway because of the presence of snow or ice or other vehicles......is it really a good idea to try to go faster in the first place?

I don't 'pull over' if I'm making 'reasonable progress'.....simply because I don't want to have my journey delayed by those who insist on driving faster, and who then...having raised the risk levels to an intolerable level, crash 'n burn in front, blocking my path!

Accept it..there will be slower drivers out there...and they will be in front of you!

And there will be drivers driving faster than you...and they will be behind you!

That is a fact on our overcrowded public highways.

The alternative might be the train?

Or, simply, re-arranging our lifestyles [temporarily] to allow for the more extreme weather conditions......and not trying to run our lives as we do in the height of summer?

brat

splishsplash wrote: »

I think it should be obvious that if you accumulate a queue of cars behind you and there are no cars in front of you, YOU are the problem. Whether you think the conditions are unsafe or not is not the point - the other drivers are clearly happy to go faster than you, and you should have the common courtesy to get out of the way.

That clearly depends on many factors, and if you are significantly holding up traffic, eg a 20mph tractor on a busy trunk road, then clearly it is inconsiderate not to pull over every so often. If you are doing 40 in a 60, and that is your preferred speed for the circumstance, I'd suggest you would have every right to remain on the road at that speed. Yes, you should accommodate those who wish to pass, but there's no need to be pulling over, and no pressure should be put on such drivers to do so.

If you were walking on a footpath and people walking faster than you caught up with you, they would say 'excuse me', you would step aside and they could continue on their way. Why not show the same common courtesy behind the wheel of your car?

It is also a common courtesy to tolerate other road users who are driving perfectly legally on the road. As with all skills, there are some who are better and more capable than others. The roads are not split into leagues for Champions League drivers, and Conference League drivers. We must accept that those of lesser skill and driving interest and experience will be out there, perfectly entitled to use the road. We should accommodate that in our driving plan.

martinthebandit

brat wrote: »

That clearly depends on many factors, and if you are significantly holding up traffic, eg a 20mph tractor on a busy trunk road, then clearly it is inconsiderate not to pull over every so often. If you are doing 40 in a 60, and that is your preferred speed for the circumstance, I'd suggest you would have every right to remain on the road at that speed. Yes, you should accommodate those who wish to pass, but there's no need to be pulling over, and no pressure should be put on such drivers to do so.


It is also a common courtesy to tolerate other road users who are driving perfectly legally on the road. As with all skills, there are some who are better and more capable than others. The roads are not split into leagues for Champions League drivers, and Conference League drivers. We must accept that those of lesser skill and driving interest and experience will be out there, perfectly entitled to use the road. We should accommodate that in our driving plan.

Of course everyone should be courteous to other drivers including people who choose, for whatever reason, to drive slowly I am just surprised that you don't seem to believe that courtesy should work both ways.