help or advise needed

shoe*diva79

owdslackdraws wrote: »

The OP has no other children in her household so it makes no difference to her original question, I also have no children in my household so it does not effect me and I have no experience of this situation and as such do not feel able to offer an opinion.

Yes she does. She stated in her original post (now been edited) that she has one daughter.

owdslackdraws

shoe*diva79 wrote: »

Yes she does. She stated in her original post (now been edited) that she has one daughter.

Yes her and her partners new baby, no children from a previous relationship of hers that woud mean a NRP paying for a NRPP children, which was the situation I declined to speculate/comment on

kevin137

The whole point is, is that when working out the money the NRPP pays nothing, the only reason the CSA ask on CSA 1 is so they have an accurate figure of who is paying bills.

And lets be honest, if you both earn the same then you should be paying 50/50 in this case teh OP is earning less so it will effect the amount for bills...

The only problem i see in THIS case is that rent is going to be easily manipulated as a resident of a parents house...! And i am not sure how that would work...! But rent is deductible as a bill but should not be paid by 1 person if both are working...

No one has said that you do not have to give this information, you just need to understand they will assume in accordance with the rules if you don't...!

owdslackdraws

clearingout wrote: »

so being new allows you to be derogatory about other people's children and suggest that committing fraud is the answer to having to pay maintenance which is legally (let alone morally) due?

It's a two way process. Or at least it should be. Unfortunately, there are way too many NRPs and NRPPs who are only too willing to find away around paying any maintenance. Just as there are PWC who are willing to use the CSA as a stick to beat decent NRPs with or refuse access to children etc. Two wrongs don't make a right. But if you can't accept that other people will see your situation differently to how you might see it, you really shouldn't be posting in public forums.

I am sorry OP - I am not without empathy regardless of what I might have written. I can understand your point of view and am sure would feel just as frustrated in the same position. However, I do hope that I would be able to see it from the other side which, as Prelude is saying, something we would all benefit from doing more often.

I still say I saw nothing derogatory in the OP's remark about not wanting to pay for other peoples children, now had she said I am going to make sure his ex's brats get nothing that would be derogatory but she did noy say that and no matter which way you look at it they are not her children.

Her original question was regarding the CSA asking for her wage info, was she legally obliged to provide it, and what would happen if she didnt.

Quite a few people jumped on and attacked her, maybe this is why she was provoked into the comment about maintaining 2 household's.

She asked a sensible and reasonable question.

I wish I had asked it before declaring my wages to the CSA, I would have refused, the PWC in our case would have been £5 per week better and I would have had my privacy.

Trying to see things from someone elses point of view is a good suggestion, but just giving someone a unbiased answer to a sensible question or keeping opinions to yourself would work just as well.
Many people on here have totally different situations and there is no way to know them inside out, so people should not sit in judgement and presume to know what someone else is thinking or intends doing.

There for the grace of God go I, and all that

quietmouse1984

Ive re read my posts and theres nothing derogatory.

I have filed a report as I do feel ive been attacked.

Yes I posted in a pulic forum asking for help/advise - not asking to be told I shouldnt have children if I couldnt afford them. I didnt ask for peoples opinions about debt I have.

Im not dodging the csa and am not looking for excuses not to pay. I simply wanted help to check a calculation and to see if legally I have to give them info. After several telephone calls my partner didnt seem to get 2 answers the same. Hence asking people on here.

Kevin - you seem very clued up on the matter thanks. In the nrp current assessment he does not have outgoings for housing costs/rent/board etc. Im not sure if this was due to him saying we live with my mother. Thereforenothing has been manipulated. I will be advising them that we do pay housing costs to her, whether or not the accept it im yet to know.

My partner now earns more than me resulting in him paying approx 70% of all household bills.

Is it the gross/net the csa look at only my wage is subect to a salary sacrifice for childcare as this saves me money in the amount of tax I pay as we do not qualify for ctc.

If our housing costs are not accepted and the csa calculate by giving us protected earning at benefit level. Nrp disposable income would appear to have increased resulting in higher assesment - this would not be an accuratw calculation.

On the other hand we are in that much of a desperate situation if I thought by letting the pwc know mt earnings would help my family out im more than happy to provide them.

OWD cheers. Im pleased you understand what I was asking

quietmouse1984

Oh and me and my partner pay for our daughter. I dont expect anyone else to. If we were to seperate I would still expect this to be the case. I wouldnt want a nrpp involved or anyone else for that matter.

And im almost certain if I started a new thread asking people to make contributions towards the upbringning of our child and asked them all for proof of earnings - id also get people saying I shouldnt have had a child if I couldn't afford one. Not sending me all of their financil infirmation.

Maybe im in a lose lose situatuon.

owdslackdraws

Your very welcome, I found your question easy to understand.

Hopefully Kevin may know more about your rental situation.

If there is so sum for housing on your assessment then it would sound as though no rent is being allowed, but then why would they want your wage slips as this would only be relivant to rent/housing costs.

I don't know much about whre you stand living with a relative but I would say allowing you nothing and expecting your mother to support you all would be totally unfair, you may have to have a legal agreement with your mother, I don't know, hopefully Kevin or someone else can answer this

quietmouse1984

And just to clarify at the time our daughter was conceived we were both in full time employment. Yes living with my mother but it was a stable home and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. In control of our finances (debts included) also making regular maintenance payment.

No nursery in the land would give confirmation of a childcare placement prior to a child being conceived (she was on the waiting list for a placement from me being 12 weeks pregnant) I feel therefore that we were very organised and following that think im well withib my right to state opinion relating to that were not what I was looking for. If I was.....that would have been the thread title.

Im new, i value opinion but I didnt come on here asking for abuse.

quietmouse1984

Cheers. I expected the calculation to be complex, not the understanding of my question.

My worry is they want verification of earning to up his available monies. Thats my 2nd general enquiry now.

kevin137

I wasn't saying it was being manipulated... I was saying it is easy to do so... And for this reason the CSA may not look at it in the same way...

However, if you have been there for a year, 2 years 5 years and have been paying regularly, then it should be easy to prove, as most people would of set up a standing order, or similar for the payment, so it would be there for all to see...

I am not actually that familiar with CSA1 so will not say what they should or shouldn't be doing, more what YOU should or shouldn't be doing. And that is keeping cool, applying for the NRP's data file with a SAR, writing to them (recorded delivery) requesting a breakdown of how it is worked out, and also notifying them of the NRP's current income, his current outgoings, and i know you may not want to, but your income as well. With a note that you consider this information to be strictly confidential and not disclosed in anyway shape or form to any other party without your permission. And that includes in the workings of any assessment sent out, i don't know if that will do any good. But that is what i would be doing...!