schools opening when it has snowed!

johnnyl

gregg1 wrote: »

But to be fair, despite myself and others telling you that the decision to close schools is, in many cases down to school transport refusing to operate, you do still tend to heap the blame entirely on teachers. That is how it is coming across to me anyway. I think that is why people find it hard to believe that you do not have a huge issue with teachers per se.

I havent spoke about this for days, yet people insist on dragging it back there then faking outrage at what I have said. Evidently they can not be that outraged at that particular discussion otherwise they wouldnt keep trying to re-ignite it.

gregg1 wrote: »

I just wish you could find something positive to say about the teachers ).

I have, it gets ignored. ~One such example is where I have moaned about the interference of schools with family life and stated at the end of that discussion "teachers should just stick to teaching because they are actually quite good at that. They are not life coaches or parenting advisors" (or words to that effect)

daisiegg

74jax wrote: »

Could I add a question about a school opening in the snow.

My DD came home yesterday with a detention next week for wearing wellies to school in the snow. There's no way she could have worn her proper school shoes.

The majority of people 'according to her' were in wellies, trainers or uggs.

V annoyed but am I rightly annoyed? School rules are school shoes only.

At our school if they have worn non school shoes to walk to school, they still have to change into their school shoes when they arrive and if they don't, they get in trouble.

We have a 'uniform book' centrally and if any student gets three uniform marks they get a Friday night 2 hour detention. They wouldn't immediately get a detention for the first transgression, though. Yesterday a very 'good' girl in my form was distressed as she had come to school in boots and forgotten her shoes to change into - I told her that while she needed to understand it was her own fault she had forgotten her shoes, I could appreciate that she was obviously worried that she would walk around like that all day and could get multiple uniform marks leading to multiple detentions! So I wrote her a note explaining that I had given her one uniform mark (not in itself enough to lead to a detention) and requesting that other teachers don't give her any more throughout the day. Mind you, I know for a fact that this girl gets dropped off at the school gates, so I am not entirely sure why the boots were needed - our school paths etc are all perfectly clear and I manage to walk from the car park into school in my court shoes!

Uniform is a nightmare at this time of year - there is some bizarre aversion to wearing coats (why? They walk to school in freezing temperatures!) so they wear long sleeved tops underneath their blouses (against the rules), hoodies underneath their blazers (against the rules - there is a perfectly good school jumper that for some reason none of them like to wear either), scarves and gloves and legwarmers etc. This is all ok on the way to and from school but it is on the understanding that they have to get into proper uniform before the bell rings - of course this doesn't happen.

I think if I were you, whether or not I would be annoyed would depend on the level of the detention. If it is an after school one and your daughter is generally very well behaved and doesn't usually get in trouble for her uniform - it seems excessive and I might be contacting the school. If it is a 20 minute lunchtime or something, I think I'd tell her to put up with it and remember her school shoes to change into next time.

pollypenny

Johnnyl/Melly, you have even posted on a 'pre-school' thread.

Seems as if you are deliberately looking for places to vent your anti-teacher bile.

marisco_2

74jax wrote: »

Could I add a question about a school opening in the snow.

My DD came home yesterday with a detention next week for wearing wellies to school in the snow. There's no way she could have worn her proper school shoes.

The majority of people 'according to her' were in wellies, trainers or uggs.

V annoyed but am I rightly annoyed? School rules are school shoes only.

You are right to feel annoyed about your child being given a detention, simply because she wore sensible and suitable footwear to school. I am sure you are sensible and sent her normal school shoes in a carrier bag, so she could transfer them across in the cloakroom and simply hang the wellies up on her peg.

I did exactly this with my own sons last week. Their school had no issue with it whatsoever. I also work in a huge school and nearly every kid arrived in wellies. We were actually more concerned for those children who just came in wearing normal school shoes and ended up with wet socks and damp school trousers. These children were assisted to change into their PE kit tracksuit bottoms and trainers whilst we dried their things for them on radiators.

Many of my colleagues arrived in wellies or walking boots and changed once in school. It is common sense to wear footwear that protects you and gives you grip when there are adverse weather conditions.

Call in to the school office on Monday and ask to speak with someone regarding this detention. It should be cancelled.

daisiegg

johnnyl wrote: »

I have, it gets ignored. ~One such example is where I have moaned about the interference of schools with family life and stated at the end of that discussion "teachers should just stick to teaching because they are actually quite good at that. They are not life coaches or parenting advisors" (or words to that effect)

This I don't understand....in the other thread you are currently talking about how you think it's bad that teachers go straight from uni with 'no life experience'...but...if you only want teachers to teach and not 'life coach', why do they actually need 'life experience'?! It seems quite contradictory to me.

johnnyl

pollypenny wrote: »

Johnnyl/Melly, you have even posted on a 'pre-school' thread.

Seems as if you are deliberately looking for places to vent your anti-teacher bile.

no, I point out the inconsistency of teachers where it is ok to present home ed parents and loafing around in their PJ's drinking wine however rather bizarrely teachers dont like generalisations thrown back.

daisiegg

marisco wrote: »

You are right to feel annoyed about your child being given a detention, simply because she wore sensible and suitable footwear to school. I am sure you are sensible and sent her normal school shoes in a carrier bag, so she could transfer them across in the cloakroom and simply hang the wellies up on her peg.

I did exactly this with my own sons last week. Their school had no issue with it whatsoever. I also work in a huge school and nearly every kid arrived in wellies. We were actually more concerned for those children who just came in wearing normal school shoes and ended up with wet socks and damp school trousers. These children were assisted to change into their PE kit tracksuit bottoms and trainers whilst we dried their things for them on radiators.

Many of my colleagues arrived in wellies or walking boots and changed once in school. It is common sense to wear footwear that protects you and gives you grip when there are adverse weather conditions.

Call in to the school office on Monday and ask to speak with someone regarding this detention. It should be cancelled.

She didn't actually say that her child changed into school shoes - I assumed that she did not? If she had school shoes to change into and did so immediately then I also agree that no sanction is warranted whatsoever!

daisiegg

johnnyl wrote: »

no, I point out the inconsistency of teachers where it is ok to present home ed parents and loafing around in their PJ's drinking wine however rather bizarrely teachers dont like generalisations thrown back.

But, in that thread I don't think it is teachers who are insulting home ed parents! At least, I am not aware of those posters being teachers. So once again you are just using the fact that PEOPLE (not teachers) are being negative towards home ed parents to give yourself an excuse to be negative towards teachers.

If I am wrong and all those posters who were insuring home ed parents ARE teachers, then I apologise.

johnnyl

daisiegg wrote: »

This I don't understand....in the other thread you are currently talking about how you think it's bad that teachers go straight from uni with 'no life experience'...but...if you only want teachers to teach and not 'life coach', why do they actually need 'life experience'?! It seems quite contradictory to me.

Its a fair point, let me explain.

Teachers coaching my children, and teaching my children is fine. They are good at it and furthermore they have more life skills than my children. It is my personal belief that teachers with experience beyond just teaching and "the school" will make better teachers.

The contradiction that you see isnt there, because it is at this point where I draw the line. The school / teacher isnt there to interfere with HOW I bring my kids up and what choices I AS AN ADULT make regarding MY KIDS

this is where the line is crossed, and what I do not agree with. So to go back to your point, there is no contradiction there at all. I can see how you initially thought it was though.

johnnyl

daisiegg wrote: »

But, in that thread I don't think it is teachers who are insulting home ed parents! At least, I am not aware of those posters being teachers. So once again you are just using the fact that PEOPLE (not teachers) are being negative towards home ed parents to give yourself an excuse to be negative towards teachers.

If I am wrong and all those posters who were insuring home ed parents ARE teachers, then I apologise.

yes, but as explained in that thread I replied to that one person and demonstrated the flawed logic. It is not my fault that someone else failed to see that and chose to make a deal of it. Check back if you wish, the comment that I made was in ot 570 and was aimed at one person who use the precise same argument in the opposite direction.