schools opening when it has snowed!

marisco_2

johnnyl wrote: »

if marisco read a little further down he / she would realise that the challenge is to find any other group that has a 20% no show rate. So are 20% of chemical plants shut...the answer is no. 20% of hairdressers? No....20% of anything other than schools.....no

people ask the question as to why schools have this reputation, the simple answer is that the reputation is as a consequence of what schools do.

I was reading post 139. No mention of 20% anything in that post. How many of your posts do you really think I am interested in reading?

Good god man, when you have read one of your posts you have read them all. Its the same old moan over and over again with you, with a unique brand of stubbornness not to see the real picture! As many posters on this thread have attempted to point out to you.

peachyprice

bylromarha wrote: »

Disagree with that one - all my kids away today were marked as unauthorised absence. If my head could have found a way round it, she would have!

I think you head needs to do some homework according to BBC
and DfE

The contentious issue of school attendance - which is inspected by Ofsted - isn't part of the equation, according to the DfE, which says head teachers should not be worried about the impact that remaining open might have on their attendance statistics. Before 2010, pupils who did not turn up to school in extreme weather had to be marked down as absent, which wasn't the case if the school shut. But the DfE says the department amended regulations in September 2010, allowing the school to use the attendance code Y - which does not affect attendance statistics - when a pupil cannot get in because of severe weather. However if the head teacher believes that a child could have got to school, then the child should be recorded as code O - an unauthorised absence, it says

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21119186

johnnyl

daisiegg wrote: »

THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM! We are not talking about schools closing because of dangerous premises - they are closing because of dangerous roads!

Which brings me to the question that I have asked. If dangerous roads are the problem then why are 20% of shops not shut, 20% of hairdressers not shut etc etc etc. ITS THE SAME ARGUMENT. You simply can not answer it, all you can ever come back with is that some people cant make it. Im not interested in odd examples, show me anyone else that has 20% of their proffession off.

daisiegg wrote: »

As I have said, most businesses can remain open if more than half their staff are late to work but schools CANNOT as they have to have a certain ratio of adults to children. You are clearly struggling to comprehend this.

oh dear god.

The teachers being off IS THE PROBLEM not THE CAUSE. You cant say that teachers didnt come into school BECAUSE there wasnt enough staff....its the reverse.

The teachers should be there like other proffesions then there would be enough staff and no problems with ratios. It is an impossibility for the ratio to be the cause of the problem

Valli

marisco wrote: »

I was reading post 139. No mention of 20% anything in that post. How many of your posts do you really think I am interested in reading?

Good god man, when you have read one of your posts you have read them all. Its the same old moan over and over again with you, with a unique brand of stubbornness not to see the real picture! As many posters on this thread have attempted to point out to you.

Given that this poster (Johnnyl) has no clue as to the number of chemical plants that there are in the UK (hence the 20% suddenly 'appearing' instead of the number 5000, I assume) just because he asserts that a fifth of them aren't shut we can safely assume that's as well-researched as the rest of the stats he's sharing. In other words; pure guesswork:p

Teachers don't just 'not turn up'; they are informed that THEIR SCHOOL IS CLOSED. So even if they got to school they wouldn't be able to access a locked, alarmed building.

johnnyl

marisco wrote: »

I was reading post 139. No mention of 20% anything in that post. How many of your posts do you really think I am interested in reading?

Good god man, when you have read one of your posts you have read them all. Its the same old moan over and over again with you, with a unique brand of stubbornness not to see the real picture! As many posters on this thread have attempted to point out to you.

Ive pointed it out to you now. Care to explain why 20% of the teaching proffesion is off and if any other proffesion has this level of no show.

Teachers wonder why this attitude prevails, it is because they have earned it. It really is that straightforward.

peachyprice

johnnyl wrote: »

if marisco read a little further down he / she would realise that the challenge is to find any other group that has a 20% no show rate. So are 20% of chemical plants shut...the answer is no. 20% of hairdressers? No....20% of anything other than schools.....no

people ask the question as to why schools have this reputation, the simple answer is that the reputation is as a consequence of what schools do.

Ok smarty pants, how many other businesses have a legal requirement of staff to customer ratio or manager to worker ratio in the same way that a school has a staff to pupil ratio?

Do you really believe that all other businesses have 100% staff attendance? Of course they don't, but they are legally able to operate with a reduced staff, there is no minumum requirement in any other profession. It's not that difficult to understand, it really isn't.

toshkininny

Some people just like to argue for the sake of it. Those are the people you avoid in the pub because they get really boring after a while.

My original question was about statistics but if people want to hijack a thread .......

johnnyl

Valli wrote: »

Given that this poster (Johnnyl) has no clue as to the number of chemical plants that there are in the UK (hence the 20% suddenly 'appearing' instead of the number 5000, I assume) just because he asserts that a fifth of them aren't shut we can safely assume that's as well-researched as the rest of the stats he's sharing. In other words; pure guesswork:p

Teachers don't just 'not turn up'; they are informed that THEIR SCHOOL IS CLOSED. So even if they got to school they wouldn't be able to access a locked, alarmed building.

Johnnyl has managed a chemical plant, unlike you. The 20% didnt appear from nowhere, it was an addition to the post that was made about half a minute later to put it into context.

The bare bones facts here are is this 5000 figure keeps getting referred to because you have no excuse as to why 20% of schools are shut but not 20% of anything else. You have to attack the 5000 number because you know you can not construct any kind of valid argument against the sheer level of "no show" from the teaching community.

20% of schools shut is an utter disgrace, it is nothing more than a reflex knee jerk reaction from a proffesion that has no intention of trying to stay open. The easy option is taken.

johnnyl

peachyprice wrote: »

Ok smarty pants, how many other businesses have a legal requirement of staff to customer ratio or manager to worker ratio in the same way that a school has a staff to pupil ratio?

Ive explained why the ratio isnt the problem. I suggest that you read that post first.

balletshoes

toshkininny wrote: »

Some people just like to argue for the sake of it. Those are the people you avoid in the pub because they get really boring after a while.

My original question was about statistics but if people want to hijack a thread .......

but johnnyl loves statistics - well he loves quoting examples of them ...........