The nightmare scenario.....

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ILW wrote: »

So what is the advantage of full membership?

I thought your argument is it would be cheaper to leave?

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But how would we be more competitive, when 99% of the costs of complying with regulation are for UK regulations, not EU regs?

LOL Hamish. Come on fella. UK regs will fit EU regs. If they didn;t, we wouldn't be trading now!

This is just desperate misrepresentation and dancing.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'm saying why would the EU states agree to such a free trade deal, when by refusing they could steal our EU headquarters and manufacturing facilities, as well as hundreds of thousands of jobs.

You keep saying this, but where is the evidence!?

You just appear to be ping ponging questions directed at you with questions back, and some unevidencial claims you have decided to come up with.

If companies are making money within the UK, why would tey decide to leave and give up all profits made in the UK? I've asked you this two or three times now, and you never provide an answer.

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

That companies will operate in the most efficient way they can is self-evident.

You've yet to come up with a single example of a multinational company that says they'd leave their EU facilities here if we left.

So why have these companies chosen to base themselves in the UK for now, rather than in Belgium or Germany?

ruggedtoast

2022. Parmo shortage causes North of England to secede from rUK and join Scottish Union.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

If companies are making money within the UK, why would tey decide to leave and give up all profits made in the UK? .

Who said they would?

They will continue smaller operations here, to service the small UK market.

But the larger EU operations, and the majority of jobs and manufacturing, will move to the EU if we leave.

BertieUK

ruggedtoast wrote: »

2022. Parmo shortage causes North of England to secede from rUK and join Scottish Union.

That would look like an episode from the Good Life...

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ILW wrote: »

So why have these companies chosen to base themselves in the UK for now, rather than in Belgium or Germany?

You should ask them that.

But it's certainly the case that EU facilities need to be based in the EU.

You don't see multinationals base their EU headquarters in Morocco or Turkey, despite Geographic proximity and cheaper costs.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Who said they would?

They will continue smaller operations here, to service the small UK market.

But the larger EU operations, and the majority of jobs and manufacturing, will move to the EU if we leave.

What the?

You said thousands of jobs would go.

Now you appear to be saying they would still be here, just the headquarters wouldn't (maybe - as you have no evidence). Meaning, what, tens of jobs? What's to stop these multi national companies having their worldwide headquarters in the UK, but their EU headquarters in the EU? (Not that I think having your headquarters in the EU is a requirement, afterall, Starbucks, HP, Microsofts headquarters are all in the states, not in the EU).

You appear to be mixing headquarters up with complete manufacturing facilities and flip flopping between the two dependant on what you need to answer.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

What the?

You said thousands of jobs would go.

They will.

What's to stop these multi national companies having their worldwide headquarters in the UK, but their EU headquarters in the EU? .

You prize ninny.

The EU headquarters for Hitachi and Caterpillar are in the UK. Despite their global headquarters being in the Japan and the US respectively.

Along with hundreds of other similar companies, and tens of thousands of jobs, these are at risk if we leave.

You appear to be mixing headquarters up with complete manufacturing facilities and flip flopping between the two dependant on what you need to answer.

The EU headquarters of multinationals that are located in the UK because it's part of the EU would obviously be at risk if we left the EU. That is self evident.

The EU manufacturing facilities of companies, such as Nissan, Honda, etc, that are based in the UK to avoid import duties into the EU would also be at risk. Surely that is also absolutely clear.

You have to come up with a hell of a convoluted argument, such as Graham is trying to do, to say that if we left the EU we could somehow keep all the benefits of staying with none of the costs.

Or to say that the EU would just give us a free trade agreement for nothing, and not try to take those manufacturers and headquarters away from us.