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The nightmare scenario.....
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »2015 Scotland votes for independence.
2016 Scotland is accepted into the EU.
2017 England/Wales/NI vote to leave the EU.
2018 Several thousand companies, including most of England's biggest employers, move their EU headquarters and manufacturing plants from England to Scotland.
2019 England begs Scotland for a free trade deal and relaxation of immigration quotas to take all the unemployed English people.
2020 Alex Salmond 'smugness quotient' goes off the charts.
A truly dire outcome....
What should happen in 2013...
Never mind the cheek of these chip on their shoulder Jocks demanding a vote to remain in the union with England. The English should be allowe a vote on whether we want Scotland.0 -
2015 Scotland votes for independence.
Major Scottish industry relocates to UK successor states (Eng/Wales/NI).
UK defence facilities relocate to within UK boundary.
Massive job losses ensue.
2016 Scottish citizens required to surrender their EU passports. Border controls established at Scottish borders and
immigration controls introduced for Scottish citizens to EU.
2017 UK successor states (Eng/Wales/NI) veto Scotland's application for EU membership and refuse Scotland permission to use Sterling after 2020.
Scotland refused entry to Euro.
Scotland refused membership of EEA due to uncertainty over its currency arrangements.
2018 EU trade with Scotland falls for third successive year.
2019 First Minister Salmond resigns and accepts job in EU HQ in Brussels.
2020 Scottish General Election. Gordon Brown elected 2nd First Minister of Scotland, promising a return to prudent financial management. SNP vote falls to 5%.
A truly dire outcome....Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
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Why keep assuming that EU will rfuse to trade with UK if they left?
Has anyone in power actually said that?
In practice the Successor state in international law would be UK (Eng/Wal/NI). Scotland would be the non-successor state by all the objective tests under international law.
In practice they would no doubt fast track a lot of changes between the Yes vote and its implementation, including EU membership, the Common Travel Area, Use of UK Sterling/Euro, resource rights, defence assets/forces etc. Clearly some would depend on whether Scotland wanted them and some would be by negotiation.
I guess there would need to be a Governor General to exercise the Queen's authority over Scotland? It would be fun, but very very sad!Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
That would be my thoughts. I believe that Germany particularly would have more to lose by not trading with the UK than to gain. Just saying that if UK left the EU they would not trade freely with us any more seems rather misleading.Thrugelmir wrote: »Is BMW going to stop selling cars?
EDF stop supplying electricity?
Aldi and Lidl stop selling food etc?
The list goes on...........
Have Honda, Nissan etc said they will pull out of Britain if the UK leave Europe, or is that just something that the anti referndum brigade like to say with no proof.0 -
Why keep assuming that EU will rfuse to trade with UK if they left?
Has anyone in power actually said that?
Who says they'll refuse to trade?
Of course they will.
But they certainly won't give us the benefits of being in the free trade club without us paying our membership fees to remain in that club.
And those companies that have chosen to locate their EU headquarters and/or manufacturing facilities here as we're within the EU will still need to maintain those facilities within the EU. So they'll obviously have to leave the UK if we leave the EU.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
What are the benefits that would be lost?HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Who says they'll refuse to trade?
Of course they will.
But they certainly won't give us the benefits of being in the free trade club without us paying our membership fees to remain in that club.
And those companies that have chosen to locate their EU headquarters and/or manufacturing facilities here as we're within the EU will still need to maintain those facilities within the EU. So they'll obviously have to leave the UK if we leave the EU.0 -
What are the benefits that would be lost?
Trading agreements, amongst others.
Perhaps it's time to get an opinion from a German.....Reuters- The head of the German parliament's influential European Union Affairs Committee warned Britain on Thursday against trying to "blackmail" other countries in its push to fashion a new relationship with Europe.
"I sometimes hear the sentiment that even if Britain left the EU it could still easily have free trade agreements with other states," Krichbaum said.
"I would be cautious in this regard: when the whole EU negotiates a free trade agreement, its position is much more powerful than if only one single country negotiates," he added“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
So would Europe trade with UK or not?HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Trading agreements, amongst others.
Perhaps it's time to get an opinion from a German.....
All seems a bit vague.
I truly cannot see Germany and other EU states wishing to restrict trade with the UK.0
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