Husband an Expat overseas

princessdon

ConfusedExpat wrote: »

I didn't realise it was a crime in the UK to be a hard working professional family.

Clearly I was wrong to even think of returning. Perhaps we should all stay overseas in the sun, I had forgotten how bitter people can be.

A sad state of affairs.

You certainly made it sound that

a) in your OP you are home
b) in that post you are "thinking of coming home"


Both posts and the inference is that you and your children are overseas. So your children have been educated in the UK for the last 3 years?

plum2002

princessdon wrote: »

To be fair they are returning for benefits (even if in kind due to University). They SHOULDN'T be allowed to Claim Tax Credits - but the system appears to allow this.

Although it does say if the OH is permanently overseas (I suspect OP's OH is due to return at some point, otherwise they'd have sold their home).

It stinks that OP's OH will be on AT LEAST £100K tax free probably more (assuming I know wages the way I do over there and that OP's OH was a 50% rate before leaving) and she can claim benefits and not be made to even look for work.

BUT ... It's not her fault. It's the legacy of Tax Credits from Labour that allow it. It IS changing under UC in some way as OP's savings, houses and investments will stop the claim, but it should have been introuduced well before now.

What I find funny about the support was that if a politician claims expenses over a high amount (Like IDS who spent £39 on brekkie) the "pro benefits" brigade go all out, but when someone has a vast amount of income and want's to "use a loophole" then it's fair game - their entitlement.

Mp's are entitled to expenses just like OP is entitled to claim despite being better of financilly than most of the UK whilst hardworking families struggle to pay bills to ensure they get money they don't need.

Both stink - but sadly both are permitted, whilst I personally wouldn't dream of claiming TC if I was that well off, it appears OP wants to.

One more thing though - you need to look at University because they will have different rules to HMRC and you may find that because your son wasn't living here 3 years prior that you may not get all the free education from being a "low income, single parent family" but is an overseas student. It's one to look at.

To be fair, the IDS breakfast was more because it's ironic he would spend £39 on breakfast but begrudge people a liveable amount of money. I get all kinds of tax breaks as I am self employed, I happily use them, but then I am not hating others for getting benefits I don't qualify for because I earn too much.

ConfusedExpat

With respect you miss the point.

My children have gone to private schools in Dubai for the past 3 years, believe it or not they get holidays and they travel home to the UK with me for them. HMRC rules mean that we spend too long in the UK to be considered anything other than resident.

If you do your homework on HE applications and simple case law my eldest son is a UK resident and will pay home fees when he starts in the Autumn.

I am sitting in our house in Cheshire this evening with my children and my husband is in the UAE or Saudi. I trust that this is OK with you?

These posts are just notes not perfect, grammatical communications.

If you want to help good, if you don't fine also.

princessdon

plum2002 wrote: »

To be fair, the IDS breakfast was more because it's ironic he would spend £39 on breakfast but begrudge people a liveable amount of money. I get all kinds of tax breaks as I am self employed, I happily use them, but then I am not hating others for getting benefits I don't qualify for because I earn too much.

He is not hating others for getting benefits, it's his job - pure and simple (one I'd not want for any amount of money).

He doesn't hate benefits because he can't claim them, he's simply doing his job.

I found it distasteful and poor timing - but it's not an attack on him personally I just think any MP should have "reasonable expenses" and have a duty due to use expenses reasonably.

You cannot deny that he was flamed by many posters for doing what is permitted.

Back to OP - When we looked at moving to Quatar, we also planned that either all of us or myself would move back home when eldest was at Uni to be Uni Educated (for that I don't blame them).

I don't begrudge them CB either

but .. The comment of getting a more favourable Uni fees due to low income for me is something I find distasteful and it's time the Govt stopped it.

notanewuser

ConfusedExpat wrote: »

Not an accurate article, complete a P85 and get a response from the HMRC that agrees and you have no tax to pay.

Sorry:)

HMRC can review that at any point, and decide otherwise at will. They can apply back taxes for years past - decades in some cases.

You're not immune from that. Don't think for one second that you are.

ConfusedExpat

It's not about immunity, income tax is not due end of story, the case you quote is not comparable.

The Uni fees are not cheaper, they are what they are as my sons residency has never been anything other than UK, primarily due to the 4 plus months a year he is here.

plum2002

notanewuser wrote: »

HMRC can review that at any point, and decide otherwise at will. They can apply back taxes for years past - decades in some cases.

You're not immune from that. Don't think for one second that you are.

keep on stirring that cauldron dear. Oh you sound positively gleeful that someone would lose some money, and all because they might have been able to claim monies that you can't - just bizarre, and so nasty. I have to feel sorry for you that your life is obviously so miserable and narrow you have to be so nasty and viscous for no reason. You are totally playing into Camerons hands and you are just too dim to realise it.

skintandscared_2

OP you are absolutely correct that the P85 form means that your husband is not liable to any UK income tax on his earnings. However, I do not believe for one second that funds he remits to the UK are not taxable or taken into account as YOUR income.

MissMoneypenny

ConfusedExpat wrote: »

My son will go to a UK university and pay home fees as he has been assessed as a home student, again following all the relevant rules.

ConfusedExpat wrote: »

my eldest son is due to start university in the Autumn, the availability of loans/grants etc to him depends on household income and the same problem exists.

Universities can choose if they follow the 3 year rule as it is them that lose the extra fee: but Student Loans follow the 3 year rule.

ConfusedExpat wrote: »

I am a housewife (retired professional) and will continue being at home and not seeking employment.

Is the household income just my UK savings and investment income? The HMRC cant have it both ways if my husband is not subject to UK income tax and his income is therefore not relevant.......(by thier definitions)

If you are claiming welfare as a single parent then you may not have any choice about not wanting to seek work or having to go on the work programmes, when Tax Credits go and the new Universal Credit comes in. The only way to avoid being forced to sign on and going on work programmes, will be to take less welfare money (as if you were working).

zoominatorone

How can someone be classed as a resident when they only live here 4 months a year?