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Fridge3

isolation wrote: »

What about 'the types' who are very wrongly assessed by ATOS and the DWP ?

isolation wrote: »

I love the evening ATOS reps posts, they follow the same selective pattern as the daytime ones.

Could you respond to post #817?

These are the minority functional assessments, 108,400 out of 2,415,400 or around 4.5%, lower still than last years 4.6% that are overturned on appeal.

Many of those will have information introduced by the claimant that wasn't made available previously.

Olive_Oyl

Fridge3 wrote: »

Aside from the fact it's doubtful you have every bit of info the GP/consultant does, it's not for atos to assess based on what the claimant says. They assess on evidence from one professional to another, so GP/HCP. If you're indicating there is no additional medical info, just what you have thay have no reason to contact you since you'll have submitted all the relevant info to start with

This of course makes sense and quite clear why it should be this way and not just the claimant claiming they have xyz. This shouldn't really come as a surprise to you given your drama suggestion of acting out symptoms.

Fridge this information is incorrect .

My assessment was based purely on the information I gave at the time . I did not supply doctors reports or supply an ESA50 see post 130 .

FTW

Fridge3 wrote: »

It's interesting how the mindset of a claimant is focused on acting out symptoms they perceive an assessor may need to observe to get more points.

Then it shows you how appallingly bad the WCA process is.

Fridge3 wrote: »

They can hardly complain then, when their drama skills don't pass muster with HCP's.

Pretend HCPs are a little more worrying than pretend patients.

Gareth56

Fridge3 wrote: »

Fit people in work die all the time. It's not the work that kills them.

These people weren't fit in the first place but had the Atos HP bothered to do the pre-board check and done their job properly instaed of sticking to their targets to throw sick and disabled people off their benefits they would have realised this fact.

Again as has been stated calumslist.org is a sad record of sick and disabled people who were found fit for work by Atos then died shortly afterwards. This inhumane treatment of sick and disabled people by Atos was rightly condemned by MPs.

isolation

Fridge3 wrote: »

These are the minority functional assessments, 108,400 out of 2,415,400 or around 4.5%, lower still than last years 4.6% that are overturned on appeal.

Many of those will have information introduced by the claimant that wasn't made available previously.

Lets say that I believe your figures. Isn't 1 in 20 an awful lot considered the large amounts of public money that these cost ? It annoys me to see my taxes wasted in this way.

My partner's claims have dragged on for 7&15 months and have cost an amazing amount of DWP money, MPs time and money, Advice worker time and money, ICE time and money and HM courts and Tribunals Service Money.

The ESA claim was described by the DWP as 'a catalogue of errors' - The ICE enquiry into the DLA claim is likely to produce the same - All ATOS reports have been declared not fit for purpose.

Her tribunal is in a week or so (12/2) and she is taking her "drama lesson" on Wednesday by having her bowels and rectum removed and has an 80% chance of survival following ATOS and the DWP stating that her specialist team have exaggerated her symptoms. Perhaps she is doing it to have a better chance at tribunal ?

In light of the above, I find your purile comments rather vile.

Dee

Gareth56

Atos_Healthcare_company_representative wrote: »

We take all complaints very seriously and we have a robust process for dealing with them

For those who have been treated with contempt by Atos when they have complained you can take your case to The Independent Case Examiner Here

isolation

Gareth56 wrote: »

For those who have been treated with contempt by Atos when they have complained you can take your case to The Independent Case Examiner Here

you may have better information than me but ICE told me that I couldn't take ATOS complaints to them as ATOS have their own 3 tier complaints procedure. If you do know this is incorrect them please do tell me.

Dee

Richie-from-the-Boro

Fridge3 wrote: »

Fit people in work die all the time. It's not the work that kills them.

Posted on these boards - 02-06-2012, 12:10 AM- What we do know - ATOS & death

- government claims half of new claimants are found "fit to work"
- but forgets to mention that over 300,000 have appealed and almost 40% have won
- between January and August last year, 1,100 claimants died after they were put in the WRAG group
- this compares to 5,300 deaths of people who were put in the "support group"
- 1,600 people died before their assessment had been completed
- the assessment [ reduced payment ] should be completed in 13 weeks
- but 35,000 people suffer the reduced payment because they are waiting longer than 13 weeks

Atos carry out the WCA's as part of their £100million a year contract, Keith Wilman's nice 22% [£800.000] pay rise as a result of the £42million profit in 2010 makes me wonder how much extra he will earn this 2012 year as a result of the 2011 earnings. The firm made a £42million profit in 2010 and paid boss Keith Wilman £800,000, a 22% pay rise on the previous year .. .. nice one Keith !

With all these statistics and numbers its easy to forget every one is a human being. A human life .. .. .. gone forever. I accept that many would have died anyway, its called the mortality rate [ 6.5 deaths per 1000 ] but the number for the WRAG group [ 137 per 1000 ] is much higher than the national mortality rate. These islands proudly proclaim to be a welfare based society .. .. yeh ! right - of course it is !

NOTE: The mortality rate was for the general population, and that includes those who are of course over the age of 65 and would not be part of the WRAG group .. .. so draw your own conclusions.

FTW

Fridge3 wrote: »

Raksha said


..'it' being recordings.

You then went on to say they can't deny 'it' because it's in their protocols:


Which is untrue. It is not in their protocols that recordings are made of attendants while they are in the waiting room or to observe recordings.

I've re read your post and adding an [if] later doesn't change the inference of where you were going to start with or trying to reference a document to support a claim when it does not.

In any event, its been made clear CCTV is not used as part of the assessment, they are there to prevent and detect crime (no "" "" needed).

What, like corporate fraud against patients, for instance?

FTW

Gareth56 wrote: »

Or worse submits a report containing so many discrepancies it bears no resemblence to the actual WCA; hence the necessity to get your WCA recorded!!

I agree. Even if Atoss does agree to record it themselves, it's still best doing it covertly just for insurance.

Because I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Atoss 'selectively' edits or omits parts of assessments.