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Do the Tories want to lose the next election?

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  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    PaulF81 wrote: »
    And how is that excessive inflation later generations problems? If we didn't promise every cutting edge unaffordable treatment under the sun that figure for NHS inflation would be far lower.

    It was no different for defence in terms of inflation differential. Didn't stop the procurement and support budgets being cut (cut, not real terms cuts mind) during the 12 disastrous years of labour rule. Killed a few chums of mine that did.

    %GDP per capita is comparable or much lower than our peers so probably not that far out from what a civilised society should be providing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_%28PPP%29_per
    _capita

    Was it lack of spending that killed them or political decisions to send them to war?
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  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    edited 10 January 2013 at 4:42PM
    %GDP per capita is comparable or much lower than our peers so probably not that far out from what a civilised society should be providing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_%28PPP%29_per
    _capita

    Was it lack of spending that killed them or political decisions to send them to war?

    A bit of both in some cases, but there have been a few in training that could be put down to complete fiscal mismanagement at a budgetqry control level. too many fingers in too many pies and too much political pressure on procurement choice in short. Google Haddon cave if you are interested.
    Pg355 of the report.

    In short:
    . The MOD suffered a sustained period of deep organisational trauma between 1998 and 2006 due to the imposition of unending cuts and change, which led to a dilution of its safety and airworthiness regime and culture and distraction from airworthiness as the top priority
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    PaulF81 wrote: »
    A bit of both in some cases, but there have been a few in training that could be put down to complete fiscal mismanagement at a budgetqry control level. too many fingers in too many pies and too much political pressure on procurement choice in short. Google Haddon cave if you are interested.
    Pg355 of the report.

    In short:

    Thanks looks an interesting and I do recall the case. I will have a read.

    The MOD suffered a sustained period of deep organisational trauma between 1998 and 2006 due to the imposition of unending cuts and change, which led to a dilution of its safety and airworthiness regime and culture and distraction from airworthiness as the top priority

    Whilst not leading to the loss of life, of those in the service, similar words could be used to describe the NHS on the staff and structure. The NHS has been undergoing constant change to squeeze efficiencies too, whether they are effective and save money is open to debate.

    Isn't there/hasn't there similar controversy over Chinhooks too?
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    Thanks looks an interesting and I do recall the case. I will have a read.

    The MOD suffered a sustained period of deep organisational trauma between 1998 and 2006 due to the imposition of unending cuts and change, which led to a dilution of its safety and airworthiness regime and culture and distraction from airworthiness as the top priority

    Whilst not leading to the loss of life, of those in the service, similar words could be used to describe the NHS on the staff and structure. The NHS has been undergoing constant change to squeeze efficiencies too, whether they are effective and save money is open to debate.

    Isn't there/hasn't there similar controversy over Chinhooks too?

    Yep, the rot set in years ago. It got much better after the nimrod crash and I believe a few VSO's ended up on manslaughter charges, it's a shame it got to that stage since everyone had been shouting and screaming an accident was going to happen for years. We were very lucky I'd didn't happen with a significant passenger load.

    I can remember being relieved on a number of occasions to get back in one piece and it wasn't anything to do with the idiots we were fighting.

    I am not change adverse, but when the shop floor up sticks and leave in droves in protest to change, senior management should have a serious appraisal as to whether change is sensible or appropriate.
  • PaulF81 wrote: »
    Yep, the rot set in years ago. It got much better after the nimrod crash and I believe a few VSO's ended up on manslaughter charges, it's a shame it got to that stage since everyone had been shouting and screaming an accident was going to happen for years. We were very lucky I'd didn't happen with a significant passenger load.

    I can remember being relieved on a number of occasions to get back in one piece and it wasn't anything to do with the idiots we were fighting.

    I am not change adverse, but when the shop floor up sticks and leave in droves in protest to change, senior management should have a serious appraisal as to whether change is sensible or appropriate.

    What are the Cons doing to help the 9500 new job losses of lads n lasses coming home after risking their lives? If their mum s have at least kept the home fires burning and a bedroom warm and waiting, they will have money taken off them them in a bedroom tax! And no jobs or opportunities Shame!
  • BobQ
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    PaulF81 wrote: »
    A bit of both in some cases, but there have been a few in training that could be put down to complete fiscal mismanagement at a budgetqry control level. too many fingers in too many pies and too much political pressure on procurement choice in short. Google Haddon cave if you are interested.
    Pg355 of the report.

    In short:

    Interesting that you cite Haddon Cave in relation to the NHS. His Nimrod report was littered with comments about the dangers of outsourcing, yet Cameron is embarking on massive outsourcing in the NHS to his friends.

    PH-C summarised this quite well to the CAA (para 18)

    http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1336/SafetyConference2010KeynoteSpeechByCharlesHaddon-Cave.pdf

    While inefficiencies need to be rooted out in any organisations, constant change will only benefit the consultants, contractors and experts of which he warns them to beware. The farce that is about to happen is I fear just another example of politicians allowing public money to be wasted on people who are in it for their own reasons not for the good of the NHS.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    BobQ wrote: »
    Interesting that you cite Haddon Cave in relation to the NHS. His Nimrod report was littered with comments about the dangers of outsourcing, yet Cameron is embarking on massive outsourcing in the NHS to his friends.

    PH-C summarised this quite well to the CAA (para 18)

    http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1336/SafetyConference2010KeynoteSpeechByCharlesHaddon-Cave.pdf

    While inefficiencies need to be rooted out in any organisations, constant change will only benefit the consultants, contractors and experts of which he warns them to beware. The farce that is about to happen is I fear just another example of politicians allowing public money to be wasted on people who are in it for their own reasons not for the good of the NHS.

    Having being involved in some depth in outsourcing within a IT and service organisation I concur with many of the points made in both your summary and section 18 link you provided. So very true the effort to stay on top of your "suppliers" can be considerable. Getting and keeping alligators out of the swamp.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • i guess they do.
  • They will let Cameron and Osborne sink, then start over with a new leader they DO want!
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    They will let Cameron and Osborne sink, then start over with a new leader they DO want!
    While the Tories were in opposition they ditched 4 actual leaders, and in the process they voted down every credible rival candidate. Eric Pickles and Nadine Dorries are about the only ones left untainted.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
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