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Do the Tories want to lose the next election?
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Like it or not, the Conservatives and the Lib-dems (for all their dilly dallying) realise that this country is broke and cannot afford the enormous willy nilly spending of money that Labour left.
The age old mantra of the Conservatives coming into power, sorting out Labour's mess and then getting the blame as the nasty party is coming true. Yet again.
The country is broke but they don't have the guts to say it they just keep trying to bluff the point that they can turn it around and do something about it.
Party politics is dead in it's current form.
The big corporations should simply appoint administrators to run country the finances and provide what scraps they see fit to keep the "underclass" from starving (or not) .;)"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »I just wish that the parties would stop harking back to previous administrations and get on with the job.
Instead of saying things like "look at the economy we inherited" I'd much rather there was a simple blunt truth and positive outlook going forward.
I'd much rather they simply stated something like "The country cannot afford to spend as it currently is. We the government are pro-actively dealing with this situation and prioritising the available funds where we think it is best utilised"
Things will be tough until we understand to live within our means
I agree, should be a cross party agreement because we are in an economic war effectively.
In response to the OP I am not sure they are committed to winning it."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »I just wish that the parties would stop harking back to previous administrations and get on with the job.
Instead of saying things like "look at the economy we inherited" I'd much rather there was a simple blunt truth and positive outlook going forward.
I'd much rather they simply stated something like "The country cannot afford to spend as it currently is. We the government are pro-actively dealing with this situation and prioritising the available funds where we think it is best utilised"
Things will be tough until we understand to live within our means
To be quite honest they cannot be expected to understand what it is like to live on a tight buget if you have not experienced it yourself, in the days before benefits came our family scrimped to keep food in our mouths some weeks, but we survived.
I know how you must feel is a favourite comment, you can only feel what it is like when you have experienced it yourself.
If they had the gift to sit down and explain to the people of our country in plain English, the full facts, instead of waffling on 'we inherited this mess' which we are really getting pi..ed of hearing about it every day from politicians who really dont have anything more intelligent to say, if they did then they would get a greater respect from the average person in the street, and may have a good chance of getting their vote if they were 'undecided'
The truth is that they have not got this gift of communication and until they give themselves a shake we are going nowhere. And finally Dave if you lose the next election you have only yourselves to blame.0 -
Anyone else think that the Tories don't actually want to win the next election.
They have done quite a few things recently that will very negatively affect their core voters such as cuts to child benefit and now they are saying they are going to slash pensioner benefits if they win. Hardly the action of a party that wants to keep its voter base. I think the most likely scenario is to do a Labour (scorched earth) so that when Labour are re-elected they have a lot of difficult choices to make. Either that or the Tories are completely stupid and out of touch (which is also quite likely).
You may be be right! 67& of their own Con members think theyre going to lose!! (December poll)
And as for today's omnishambles over the leaked broken promises cover up.... wel.. for once... I just dont know what to say.... except ... gobsmacked!0 -
Alienating core voters doesn't cost elections, because core Tories have nowhere else to go. I can't see UKIP fighting the election on a platform of looking after higher-rate taxpayers and "wealthy pensioners".
And anyway, the most important thing to core voters is to keep the other lot out, and they realise that they won't do that by splitting.
What will lose the Tories the election is the LibDem vote going over to Labour. The Tories were quite !!!!-a-hoop at smashing the LibDems, until they realised that they weren't winning over the LibDem voters. So now Cameron really needs Clegg to do well. Watch out for some very cynical manoeuvring."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Alienating core voters doesn't cost elections, because core Tories have nowhere else to go. I can't see UKIP fighting the election on a platform of looking after higher-rate taxpayers and "wealthy pensioners".
And anyway, the most important thing to core voters is to keep the other lot out, and they realise that they won't do that by splitting.
What will lose the Tories the election is the LibDem vote going over to Labour. The Tories were quite !!!!-a-hoop at smashing the LibDems, until they realised that they weren't winning over the LibDem voters. So now Cameron really needs Clegg to do well. Watch out for some very cynical manoeuvring.
Yes, that's a very puzzling conundrum! I have read research outlining the seats the Cons want to steal from the LibDems... but even that is now out of date after a few weks. Know what I think happened? Dave finally accepted there would be no win for him and the cons on their own... and has to,yet again, contemplate sharing with the Lib Dems just to get anywhere near the door of No 10. To be honest, it m,ay all rest with Clegg... there may be be a very lush Europe job waiting... (I would look this all up but like many 'strivers' doing challenging but low paid work, I got in late and am absolutely ****** (wrecked !)0 -
Anyone else think that the Tories don't actually want to win the next election.
They have done quite a few things recently that will very negatively affect their core voters such as cuts to child benefit and now they are saying they are going to slash pensioner benefits if they win. Hardly the action of a party that wants to keep its voter base. I think the most likely scenario is to do a Labour (scorched earth) so that when Labour are re-elected they have a lot of difficult choices to make. Either that or the Tories are completely stupid and out of touch (which is also quite likely).
Austerity? We haven't even started yet..........0 -
I cannot see the Tories deliberately trying to lose the next election.
There is a prize to be won. Whoever won the last election had a poison chalice and knew they had a fairly thankless task of administering the medicine. Whoever wins the next election will five years on have a much better chance of being re-elected for a further term.
If the Tories win the next election I think the big question will be how far they will go in radical right wing policies in as they see it finishing the job of rolling back the state. If Labour win, the big question will be whether they have learned the lessons of the past and capitalise on the unpleasant choices the ConDems have made for them. Of course coalition politics could still come into play but the Lib Dems are finsihed so the question is will UKIP force Cameron to the right?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Like it or not, the Conservatives and the Lib-dems (for all their dilly dallying) realise that this country is broke and cannot afford the enormous willy nilly spending of money that Labour left.
The age old mantra of the Conservatives coming into power, sorting out Labour's mess and then getting the blame as the nasty party is coming true. Yet again.
The difference this time is not what they have done, because the need for austerity is understood by the majority of people, but whether they have done things as fairly as they could have done as a coalition government.
Sorting out the dependency culture and the removal of benefits from weathly people, needed doing, and will save money, but there is still an element of dogmatic change that is being followed without any evidence that its really necessary or affordable. For example, the changes to the NHS, for which the electoral mandate is somewhat unclear. This sort of thing could backfire on them.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Its also about the changes they didnt make for me. Like not slashing the NHS bugdet.0
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