Rose sale at Peter beales

lostinrates

Glad I could help. Congrats on your Tuscany superb! I bought one locally two years ago in a sorry state and it came out of 'quarantine' last year, but then the greenfly munched it! This year, this year......I expect a thanks for rescuing it! I want the Tuscany ( without the superb) too one day

dogstarheaven

Hmm, love the look of the Tuscany but I'd rather for a variety that has a deep scent as well. Are there others that you can reccy, LinR? I'd rather choose a rose when I can smell the scent first and buy later in the season when it'll be more appropriate to plant them.

lostinrates

dogstarheaven wrote: »

Hmm, love the look of the Tuscany but I'd rather for a variety that has a deep scent as well. Are there others that you can reccy, LinR? I'd rather choose a rose when I can smell the scent first and buy later in the season when it'll be more appropriate to plant them.

I buy very few Unscented roses (scent is the main point) but scent is very personal. Things that are strong to me can be mild to dh and vice versa. I went to a talk by a Austin nursery man a couple of years ago who said he never got the scent of a famously heavily scented rose until one day after very heavy rain when he could smell it strongly. My advice if scent is vital and space and money are at a premium is to go to somewhere with a properly decent rose collection (Peter beales, David austins) and see them and smell them.....phone, ask when it's worth making a trip (obviously, any other rose gardens near you would do, national trust etc).

Also, use the rose selector on the Peter beales website...you can select by strongly scented, but scented covers both just scented and strongly scented, and some they have as scented I smell as strongly scented iyswim.

Like every one I like repeaters, but for scent and the right bloom, and because I love old roses, I am happy with once flowerers I can compliment with repeaters in the surrounding planting.

It's difficult to make recommendations, because, for example, I am very biased about bloom shape. I did not from pictures, for example, expect to find suck value in ena harkness as I have, and would not have bought joie de vivre (not my normal cup of tea). Also, get catalogues from beales and Austin, look at the pictures, read the descriptions. The ones there aren't pictures of you can google. .

If you see roses you like, smell them, take a picture and ask on the forum at Peter beales for help identifying. . They are all really nice there.

dogstarheaven

oh, yes i do do all that, LinR with the ones that I see in the GC. Normally, I home in on the DA (David Austen) ones as I think they look better than the others* and there's more chance of them having a decent scent as well. Did you read my bit about "Amnesia Roses" earlier. Some of those are out of this world startlingly beautiful but you can't buy them as a plant only as a cut flower! That's kinda where I'm at with roses atm, with ones I like that are tinged with other colours (imagine fading Autumn Hydrangeas) which gives it it's "vintage-look".. Do you know of roses similar to this look?

btw, I love rosehips, the fattest the most loveliest (they're from the Gallica family, I think, the thorniest!)


*tho' one of my prev. DA ones didn't survive the winter of 2010 when I got one for a Xmas pressie and as it was a particular bad time for planting, I didn't take it out of its pot till the Springtime and to my utter dismay, there wasn't a decent root system nor that it was established in the pot. It looked as if it was a bare-rooted plant and plonked in the pot. Imagine when my then In-Laws asked about the plant that they got me when they were in my garden...I couldn't quite lie and told them the truth! (v. awkward, I know). So, I now inspect all potted plants that I buy as it can be an expensive mistake...

lostinrates

dogstarheaven wrote: »

oh, yes i do do all that, LinR with the ones that I see in the GC. Normally, I home in on the DA (David Austen) ones as I think they look better than the others* and there's more chance of them having a decent scent as well. Did you read my bit about "Amnesia Roses" earlier. Some of those are out of this world startlingly beautiful but you can't buy them as a plant only as a cut flower! That's kinda where I'm at with roses atm, with ones I like that are tinged with other colours (imagine fading Autumn Hydrangeas) which gives it it's "vintage-look".. Do you know of roses similar to this look?

btw, I love rosehips, the fattest the most loveliest (they're from the Gallica family, I think, the thorniest!)


*tho' one of my prev. DA ones didn't survive the winter of 2010 when I got one for a Xmas pressie and as it was a particular bad time for planting, I didn't take it out of its pot till the Springtime and to my utter dismay, there wasn't a decent root system nor that it was established in the pot. It looked as if it was a bare-rooted plant and plonked in the pot. Imagine when my then In-Laws asked about the plant that they got me when they were in my garden...I couldn't quite lie and told them the truth! (v. awkward, I know). So, I now inspect all potted plants that I buy as it can be an expensive mistake...

I think the potted roses are essentially potted bare roots at the normal smaller size, (they are field grown you see) and yes, they are pricey. . Lots of serious rose people dislike austins, but I love mine.

After buying roses that I didn't prep ground for and taking advice at p. beales I now do pot up my purchased bare roots too. I aminto my third winter with a couple and second with most, but of course, these winters have been mild.




Most roses will fade colour a bit, the apricots and peaches seem more so to me. One of my favorites is only lightly scented to my nose, and Not many petals, but it fades beautifully.


It's called compte de champagne and the colour changes really are reminiscent of bubbles rising through a champagne glass. The flowers open apricot yellow and fade to yellow white.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=41776

But many will fade. If I think of anything specific I will yell, but it's not really the way my memory works I am afraid!


Edit: for me the ' vintage effect' is often more bloom shape....hence my particular interest in that. I also love roses with 'eyes' or 'buttons' in the middle. They make me happy. . But mixing very old roses with new ones gives authenticity to a scheme. Also, planting similar but different roses in groups. My mother does this to great impact!

dogstarheaven

that's good to know. your rose knowledge is far greater than mine and am grateful for your ideas. The Comte de Champagne does look pretty and elegant. I'll check that out.

When I read back my previous post, I forgot to add that the damn thing had died over that harsh winter and I didn't get to see it flowering for me!

what do you mean by liking the 'eyes' of the roses - the stamens/centres?

as i've a small garden at home, i've started expanding on my flower beds at the lotti, although they're not in any particular scheme as such. all my planting is higgledy-piggledy and each new plant is plonked where there's space! soon, i'm keen to expand on the beds to fit a new true i got for xmas (katsura, do you know?)

lostinrates

dogstarheaven wrote: »

that's good to know. your rose knowledge is far greater than mine and am grateful for your ideas. The Comte de Champagne does look pretty and elegant. I'll check that out.

When I read back my previous post, I forgot to add that the damn thing had died over that harsh winter and I didn't get to see it flowering for me!

what do you mean by liking the 'eyes' of the roses - the stamens/centres?

as i've a small garden at home, i've started expanding on my flower beds at the lotti, although they're not in any particular scheme as such. all my planting is higgledy-piggledy and each new plant is plonked where there's space! soon, i'm keen to expand on the beds to fit a new true i got for xmas (katsura, do you know?)

Yes, I have a Katsura too. .

Idon't pretend to be an expert. My mother grows old fashioned roses and I have been helping since I was a kid. I do some stuff differently and experiment with things too...I make mistakes, but..roses are tough. I cut out disease fairly ruthlessly because I don't like chemicals ( we eat roses sometimes).

Just thought, have a look at felicity parmentier open...she fades at the edges.


Some roses have little buttons....

Google image mme hardy, for example or Teaclipper ( both little green eyes). Just a detail I like on some blooms.

pling29

I'm trying to locate the Amnesia Rose as a gift for a friend, has anyone found a source for this beautiful flower

thanks:rotfl:

lostinrates

It's a floristry rose isn't it?

I'm not sure, but its quite likely it might not be suitable for garden growing, even if one can buy it.