DIY kitchen Sockets

southcoastrgi

I totally agree with MB what planet are these idiots on & we trust them to run the country, god help us

ValHaller

muckybutt wrote: »

I can see why they are allowing you to install an outdoor socket when they wont let you do anything in bathrooms, to be honest they are both as dangerous locations as each other, both can contain water for starters.
How many sockets will we see installed outdoors with no rcd protection on them ?
This government is so f ecking stupid

What is f ecking stupid is regulating this to death in terms of the Building Regs process rather than working to ensure that the outcome in installations is safe and compliant with technical standards.

The overall result of the 2005 changes, I am sure, has been to drive some work below the radar so that the less competent DIYer is avoiding the professionals out of fear of Part P. I am sure that the best work is better, but I suspect that there are many jobs which would be better done than not which have been left alone rather than risk getting into a nightmare of non compliance with building regs.

southcoastrgi

Part P was brought in for a number of reasons, have those reasons changed ? so why do the regs need to ?, so when there is one fatal accident due to the change of regs i'm sure the muppet in the government will be more than happy to tell the family that's it's ok he didn't do the work illegally

Yolina

muckybutt wrote: »

when they wont let you do anything in bathrooms

I've never really understood that one despite living in the UK for nearly 20 years. I'm French and for us it's completely normal to have sockets in our bathrooms, and we also seem to be perfectly able to use electrical items in there without frying ourselves :rotfl:

fred7777

southcoastrgi wrote: »

Part P was brought in for a number of reasons, have those reasons changed ? so why do the regs need to ?, so when there is one fatal accident due to the change of regs i'm sure the muppet in the government will be more than happy to tell the family that's it's ok he didn't do the work illegally

After 7-8 years of the the new regs it's reasonable to review and ask is there any evidence showing the tighter regulations have reduced the number of fatal accidents?

If not then all they are doing is potentially criminalizing competent DIYers but doing nothing to stop incompetent ones bodging jobs.

There is plenty of evidence that the regs have been widely ignored on this board alone.

Leif

Yolina wrote: »

I've never really understood that one despite living in the UK for nearly 20 years. I'm French and for us it's completely normal to have sockets in our bathrooms, and we also seem to be perfectly able to use electrical items in there without frying ourselves :rotfl:

There probably are plenty of deaths in France due to sockets in the bathroom, but on the grand scale they are small in number and hence go unnoticed.

It would be interesting to know the change if any in death by electrocution in the home in the UK over the last decade. I suspect the main reason for a drop (assuming that is the case) is the RCD.

The electrician who did my bathroom was shoddy (light switch fell off ceiling, shaver socket loose) so Part P does not guarantee anything. As said earlier, the safe DIY person will no longer do it themselves, the dangerous one will carry on regardless.

kitchenhouse

I have checked the link of chrisw. This link is working :T

_gav_

There is very little to gained by having laws to prevent stupidity!! Ignorance is bliss after all. If you are daft enough to handle electrical items in the bathroom with wet hands etc, then no law will protect you, an RCD might though!

At the end of the day, you can jump off a bridge or a cliff and kill yourself, do we need laws governing that as well?

nanny state at its best.

27col

_gav_ wrote: »

There is very little to gained by having laws to prevent stupidity!! Ignorance is bliss after all. If you are daft enough to handle electrical items in the bathroom with wet hands etc, then no law will protect you, an RCD might though!

At the end of the day, you can jump off a bridge or a cliff and kill yourself, do we need laws governing that as well?

nanny state at its best.

Well, suicide did used to be illegal. Actually, it was attempted suicide I suppose that was illegal. Though the powers that be did eventually realise just how ridiculous that particular law was.
Anyway none of the rule changes bothers me as I have always done my own electrics. Though to be fair, I was an electrician back in the day when the Electricity Board did the checking.
I never bothered to get certified when the new regs came in so I was unable to certify what I did. I was due to retire by then and could not justify the expense.

southcoastrgi

fred7777 wrote: »

After 7-8 years of the the new regs it's reasonable to review and ask is there any evidence showing the tighter regulations have reduced the number of fatal accidents?

the trouble is that you cannot get any evidence, no one tells anyone about something that could have happened had it not been installed to part P, there are no statistics for "what could have happened", like i said the rules were changed for a reason to make electrics safer in certain locations, those reasons are still there unless 60 million people are now fully qualified sparkies