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Withdraw winter fuel payment to pay for elderly care
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I would prefer to let poor people starve to death, but as the lefties won't be having that, I just suppose a cut in toff winter fuel allowance will just have to do.0
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you assume people actually get paid enough to pay a private pension . Lets see shall I put the heat on this winter, or pay into a pension on the off chance I might live to see it .Not exactly encouraging people to make provision for old age."Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many"0 -
you assume people actually get paid enough to pay a private pension . Lets see shall I put the heat on this winter, or pay into a pension on the off chance I might live to see it .
So you think it is OK for someone who has saved for a private pension of say, £40 a week to have their state pension removed?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
It may have changed recently, since the Tory "attack" on public sector pensions which will have a disproportionate impact on the upper echelons of the civil service. However, when I was in the civil service many years ago, voting Tory was very common. I wonder if there have been any surveys on this?
It's very difficult to know, they are hardly likely to shout about it as they are supposed to be impartial. My impression is that the public sector -- at least at the senior levels -- is dominated by people of left- of centre thinking. But I can't substantiate that of course.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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how about they remove the state pension from those who have a private pension .Then pay the fuel allowance to anyone who still receives state pension.
Not all private pensions are generous, some are a pittance for various reasons.
I don't believe that any government could get away with making the state pension means tested retrospectively because everyone believes they have "paid in" via NI. If they tried someone would test it in the human rights courts and probably win.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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GeorgeHowell wrote: »Not all private pensions are generous, some are a pittance for various reasons.
I don't believe that any government could get away with making the state pension means tested retrospectively because everyone believes they have "paid in" via NI. If they tried someone would test it in the human rights courts and probably win.
And not everyone gets (ie qualified for) the full Basic State Pension. I get about 62% of it. I sent money over from Africa to build up my qualifying years, and when I returned and worked here (for 11 years), a combination of a small Private pension and the State pension mean that I am just above the Pension Credit level.
It seems that people on pension credits do get extra benefits of council tax help and other subsidies. The WFA acts to help increase the State Pension for those just above pension credit level.
Bear in mind that personal tax allowances for those over 65 are also falling into line with the under-65's, some of whom would be benefitting from working tax credits. They get that, over-65's (as it will be eventually), have the WFA.0 -
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It seems that people on pension credits do get extra benefits of council tax help and other subsidies.
You are right and it affects many more people than they care to hi light. It also affects those with modest savings too, both in a variety of ways."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
how about they remove the state pension from those who have a private pension .Then pay the fuel allowance to anyone who still receives state pension.
That is plain daft. There are loads of people who get an occupational pension that is paid at a rate that is less than the state pension. There are many more who get a pension that is about the same as the state pension or perhaps worth twice the state pension.
Do you really think its fair to take £100 off someone who has a private pension of £200? I think this is grossly unfair. The only fair way of dealing with this is through taxation which already happens for pensions and should happen with WFA.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0
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