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Withdraw winter fuel payment to pay for elderly care
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GeorgeHowell wrote: »I suspect it was with the 2001 election in mind, as Labour shifted up through the gears in developing its client state.
Before lobbing over £1.5bn pound a year wouldn't there have needed to a requirement for it?
Seems an odd thing to do on their own in their first winter in office.
Does Whitehall not have to give a cursory sanity check/glance/audit over any provision made by government."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
My mum was relatively well off, and she tried to refuse the winter fuel payment, but was told it was "compulsory"! She used to spend the money on Christmas presents for the residents of the local nursing home.
When my mum had to go into a nursing home and therefore obviously didn't need the fuel allowance, I also tried to cancel it - can't be done apparently! I was told to "give it to charity".
So, I carried on the tradition of buying Christmas presents for the nursing home residents with it till mum died.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Before lobbing over £1.5bn pound a year wouldn't there have needed to a requirement for it?
Seems an odd thing to do on their own in their first winter in office.
Does Whitehall not have to give a cursory sanity check/glance/audit over any provision made by government.
Whitehall probably dreamed it up. It would fit with their superior, "liberal intellectual" slant and general desire to keep Labour governments in office.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »Whitehall probably dreamed it up. It would fit with their superior, "liberal intellectual" slant and general desire to keep Labour governments in office.
Food for thought
I never saw Whitehall manadrins as left leaning more public school educated blue bloods, happy to feast on the gravy train of old school ties."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Food for thought
I never saw Whitehall manadrins as left leaning more public school educated blue bloods, happy to feast on the gravy train of old school ties.
I think that used to be the case. No doubt there's still a lot of the old school tie business, cronyism, and who you know not what you know. But I think it's primarily the lefties who now go in for civil service, and then the ones who reach senior levels become the typical, hypocritical champagne socialists.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
how about they remove the state pension from those who have a private pension .Then pay the fuel allowance to anyone who still receives state pension."Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many"0
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I received the fuel allowance for a relative who had died .I was told she was alive in the qualifying week therefore I was entitled to it ."Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many"0
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how about they remove the state pension from those who have a private pension .Then pay the fuel allowance to anyone who still receives state pension.
OK I want a good proportion of my NI back, and my employers do, with compound interest. (yes I know it is accounted for and NI is all part of the tax pot, but that is what it is nominally associated with.).
Perhaps they could do that going forward for all new pension provision? Or perhaps not because current pensions are paid out of taxation now because they have spent ours several times over."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
how about they remove the state pension from those who have a private pension .Then pay the fuel allowance to anyone who still receives state pension.
Not exactly encouraging people to make provision for old age.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »I think that used to be the case. No doubt there's still a lot of the old school tie business, cronyism, and who you know not what you know. But I think it's primarily the lefties who now go in for civil service, and then the ones who reach senior levels become the typical, hypocritical champagne socialists.
It may have changed recently, since the Tory "attack" on public sector pensions which will have a disproportionate impact on the upper echelons of the civil service. However, when I was in the civil service many years ago, voting Tory was very common. I wonder if there have been any surveys on this?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0
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