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Withdraw winter fuel payment to pay for elderly care
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ruggedtoast wrote: »True. But you can say that about every kind of benefit. By that virtue its unfair on everyone who has a job and doesnt get income support as well.
There are a lot of pensioners ~ and millions more soon to be so.
It may be prudent for government to incentivise those who provide for their old age so they don't join the ranks of those who don't.If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
I see others that have had a much better wage than I ever got and did not save and now, as you say, are getting all the credits going, the system has been abused by so many to the cost of others.
Indeed. Whilst no one wants to see pensioners starving or unable to afford heating, there should be more recognition for those who have scrimped and saved so they are not a burden on society.
At least government is now enforcing a mandatory pension scheme on all, which hopefully may address the issue in the fullness of time.If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
There are a lot of pensioners ~ and millions more soon to be so.
It may be prudent for government to incentivise those who provide for their old age so they don't join the ranks of those who don't.
Would they be the ones lay on a beach in The Canary Isles and still claiming the fuel allowance?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Indeed. Whilst no one wants to see pensioners starving or unable to afford heating, there should be more recognition for those who have scrimped and saved so they are not a burden on society.
At least government is now enforcing a mandatory pension scheme on all, which hopefully may address the issue in the fullness of time.
there is no mandatory pension scheme for all except of course the state pension
companies now need to offer a pension scheme but employees don't have to accept and self employed are not included.EU tariff on agricultual product 12.2%
some dairy products 42.1% cloths 11.4%
EU Clinical Trials Directive stops medical advances0 -
Would they be the ones lay on a beach in The Canary Isles and still claiming the fuel allowance?
The majority of pensioners I know don't have the income to go anywhere near the Canaries even if they could afford the insurance.;)"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
we attack the unemployed as scroungers
the disabled as work shy
why have we forgotten the human element??
official figures released states that 24000.00 died last year as a direct result of fuel poverty,
Of the people in fuel poverty, around half are pensioners, a third are disabled, and 20% are families with children under 5. The rise in energy prices is hitting our most vulnerable hardest.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »Everyone else has lost benefits, child tax credits, funded tuition fee places etc, so I dont see why a bunch of affluent retirees should continue to receive a handout on top of all the other state benefits they get.
Got no problem with affluent retirees being taxed on it, I doubt they are the majority that need it in some way though.
We are withdrawing child benefit (in a c0ck handed manner) starting with a limit of £50K, perhaps pensioners should have a similar reasonable limit before we withdraw it for pensioners, say £30K and disregard savings too. We could have course have millionaires manipulating their income below £50K and still getting child benefit.
Simply means testing it a pension credit level , £7420 for singles, will just "trap" millions who have just over the savings threshold and get no additional help.
WFA was brought out for a reason, it wasn't just introduced for a laugh. Absolutely nothing else has been done to mitigate that reason..
Thrifty (not affluent) pensioners are already suffering in particular because of this governments (and previous governments) policies. Low interest rates & inflation eating into what capital they may have."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »The majority of pensioners I know don't have the income to go anywhere near the Canaries even if they could afford the insurance.;)
So you know a minority were my statement would be true
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
So you know a minority were my statement would be true
I do know a couple yes who, pay tax and consume,on more than just essentials, thus paying VAT/duty etc. As I have said just tax the benefit, it should have been put in pensions anyway IMO."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Another phone in person to R5L today suggested that anyone in receipt of public sector pensions shouldn't get state pension on top_pale_
I won't get one BTW."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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