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Cons Lost Election 2015 Already Says Telegraph
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grizzly1911 wrote: »Front Pages on BBC news channel has just shown the Independent with an item (poll results?) on whether the electorate accept the Tory spin on benefits etc. Will look out for tomorrow.
If you were a beneficiary you'd object to a cut.
Part of the somebody else can pay mentality we now have in this country.0 -
the real danger in voter contempt at the three main political parties is that we start to allow in the fringe parties
and i thought you could not get any more right wing than herr smith
Why is that a danger? If the monolithic three-parties-in-name-only have made complete Horlicks of the UK's economy (and so much else) why not listen to other opinions?0 -
Would laugh hard if ukip replace the lib dems and the next coalition (conservative/ukip) is more right wing than the Conservative party currently is. Labour would be dead in the water.
Ironically, Pr would have helped the conservatives in this situation yet they campaigned against it.0 -
Grass root Tories know that they should have a [STRIKE]diving[/STRIKE] divine right to rule - people with a divine right to rule don't need to share.
Looks like the Independent wants you to buy the paper to get the actual statistics, but here is an overview:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/voters-brainwashed-by-tory-welfare-myths-8437872.html
It is disingenuous of the poll supporters to highlight the short period of claimants claiming "unemployment benefit", as it is loss of income, for those short term optimisers with no capital, that triggers benefits, not loss of a job.
For the short term that I was registered as "unemployed" (no benefits other than a free "stamp" for NI entitlement ie state pension), I could recognise those working the system. Quite frankly if benefits are better than minimum wage boring jobs that is the
rational choice, especially those benefits that act as gate keepers to other freebies.0 -
John_Pierpoint wrote: »Grass root Tories know that they should have a diving right to rule - people with a diving right to rule don't need to share.
Isn't a "diving right" something for which people get penalised in football?
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grizzly1911 wrote: »Front Pages on BBC news channel has just shown the Independent with an item (poll results?) on whether the electorate accept the Tory spin on benefits etc. Will look out for tomorrow.
Edit:- This might be what they were on about.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/9757690/Fewer-than-half-of-British-households-back-Osbornes-benefits-slash-poll-showswer.html#
Tends to show that opinions are split largely on part political lines, as one might expect. People who believe in the welfare culture are likely to vote Labour, and vice versa.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
it took them 100 years to get into goverment,
it will be another 100 years before they will be again
Not necessarily. If Labour wins the most seats but not a clear majority, the LibDems will ditch Clegg and jump at the chance of another coalition.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
The Lib Dems would need to get some MPs elected in a first past the post election, before they could offer to be the partners of any other party !0
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John_Pierpoint wrote: »The Lib Dems would need to get some MPs elected in a first past the post election, before they could offer to be the partners of any other party !
Many a truth in both of the last two posts! I heard the number 39 being bandied about a couple of months ago .... and Vince Cable was looking like the cat that got the cream.... plus theres that lush EU top post waiting for Nick....0 -
So the Bookies Have It? Very thoughtful and analytical piece by Tory Lord Ashcroft says a Cons majority is looking further away than ever, and that the bookies,who stand to risk real cash when deciding-unlike pollsters have made up their minds,or punters have, that Labour will win and they are favourites to win. Lo, he does advise us against betting as (presumably a miracle is not ruled out?)
He called it right over the Corby by-election....0
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