Cameron Constituency Food Bank Faces Closure As Local Economy Stalls

grizzly1911

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

The left believes that those on benefits should have the choice, lest they feel "socially excluded". Many of those working have no such choice of course - they have to go where the work is.

Many people in work are entitled to claim benefits, have children at school etc that does have some affect on where they can live.

The average HB is ~£90.

http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/hb_ctb/index.php?page=hbctb_arc

Generali

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Depends at what point in the year you lose your job.

Depends on where you need to live.

Indeed.

If you were to lose your job and have to pay 40% tax on your JSA then you'd find your benefits slashed by £1,400 to £24,600 net, still more than the average household nets and still an amount that a family of four should be able to live off with ease unless they make poor choices.

Generali

exarmydreamer wrote: »

I have no answer for you, because IF they had that amount of money they would.

Let me give you one real example:

Single mother with two children on JSA living in rented accn. Due to mental illness moved to ESA and NO benefits paid for 3 weeks (because of benefit mess up). Due to mental illness and N O money, she had to send children to live with father, who has since physical attacked her in front of child in public place.

Now due to benefit mix up, her land lord is threatening to evict her, unless he can take 'take some photo's of her', in part payment of arrears. This is the kind of mess, by benefit problems i.e, not paid on time. She has looked for work and has worked, and it's not her fault her relationship has failed. Not everyone gets the support they need.

I was after all, just pointing out to you, that some benefits are taxed. I'm not here to justify anything else. We work and have a very good income but we are painfully aware that some, not all are truly struggling, especially at the hands of landlords.

That's a very sad story but it's hard to see what point you are trying to make beyond telling a sad story.

ILW

Generali wrote: »

That's a very sad story but it's hard to see what point you are trying to make beyond telling a sad story.

Seems to be a matter of incompetant civil servants.

Generali

ILW wrote: »

Seems to be a matter of incompetant civil servants.

That's what I thought but perhaps there's a bit of Tory hating to go in there.

ILW

Generali wrote: »

That's what I thought but perhaps there's a bit of Tory hating to go in there.

Not much of a Guardian article though "Mother forced to use food bank bank due to useless public sector employees not doing their job".

RevolvingDoor

exarmydreamer wrote: »

I have no answer for you, because IF they had that amount of money they would.
Let me give you one real example:
Single mother with two children on JSA living in rented accn. Due to mental illness moved to ESA and NO benefits paid for 3 weeks (because of benefit mess up). Due to mental illness and N O money, she had to send children to live with father, who has since physical attacked her in front of child in public place.
Now due to benefit mix up, her land lord is threatening to evict her, unless he can take 'take some photo's of her', in part payment of arrears. This is the kind of mess, by benefit problems i.e, not paid on time. She has looked for work and has worked, and it's not her fault her relationship has failed. Not everyone gets the support they need.
I was after all, just pointing out to you, that some benefits are taxed. I'm not here to justify anything else. We work and have a very good income but we are painfully aware that some, not all are truly struggling, especially at the hands of landlords.

I used to work in the community and I think sad stories like that aren't as rare as other people would like to believe.

I also know people who have had the banding on their job moved down so they are effectively doing the same job for less money but all their financial commitments still need to be paid every month despite getting a smaller payslip. More people are having to visit foodbanks or having to rely heavily on their extended families for money and food.

exarmydreamer

I'm not a tory/labour hater or lover. I'm just trying to open your eyes to the fact there is more going on in our society than, is seen through the rose tinted glasses that some wear.

Peoples political position is neither here nor there to me, but I sense a bigger issue of intolerance in society. Which will lead to bigger class issues than, who gets what and how. Tolerance and charity are amiss I think.

The very fact that you see this story as sad, shows an indifference to how and why. Late benefit payments, is a major problem and is the most common reason for referrals to emergency food banks, that's my point.

Unfortunately this is missed by many because they are political blinkered in thinking anyone who shows a different opinion is automatically a lefty. You could not be actually more wrong.:)

Generali

exarmydreamer wrote: »

The very fact that you see this story as sad, shows an indifference to how and why. Late benefit payments, is a major problem and is the most common reason for referrals to emergency food banks, that's my point.

Unfortunately this is missed by many because they are political blinkered in thinking anyone who shows a different opinion is automatically a lefty. You could not be actually more wrong.:)

How should I see the story? It's sad because it elicits that emotion in me. It's not tragic for example because there's no element of inevitability. If you're saying that much of public administration is incompetent then I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I don't dismiss everyone who disagrees with me as a 'lefty'. I do dismiss people who think that the solution to all life's ills is to take money from one group and give it to another as Socialists because that's what they are.

A._Badger

You won't win this one, General.. You're trying to argue a factual case against a bunch of high octane ideologues who believe what they feel in preference to what is real and verifiable.

Mere facts don't stand a chance.