Dangerous dog behaviour....solution?

Pthree

CFC wrote: »

One day, one day someone will post on here and just happen to mention that they intend to breed, and they'll get helpful or kindly comments not a torrent of negative, patronising righteousness. Of course on that day pigs will fly.

I can only suggest that you take your passionate opinions out to the greater world and start a campaign for forced human sterilisations in many countries of the world, and campaign to all countries for people not to have any children while there is a single one in the world in need. There are far too many abandoned, starving and impoverished children already, so I do hope you who are so anti breeding unless it is for the Greater Good, are not bringing any children into the world yourself?

In an already vastly overpopulated world I actually don’t think I would have a problem with this (or at least more regulation about the amount of kids you can have – yes just like China!)

I am child free by choice, even when I was younger thought there were too many unwanted, unloved children in the world. I always believed I adopt unfortunately I think I am too old now, but my thoughts remain the same.

Although the pet board is probably not the place to get into this discussion!!

P3

heartbreak_star

Main problem with people breeding is the people that are choosing to have kids and not to have kids.

Same with dogs - just because one dog is clear of medical/behavioural issues doesn't mean that its sire or its offspring won't have them.

I don't agree with anyone breeding puppies for pets. And FWIW, I don't have children either.

HBS x

Frugalista

Hoof_Hearted wrote: »

Labradoodles are just brilliant house dogs -- intelligent, happy, non-aggressive, robust dogs with few inherited medical problems and a great temperament.

Really?? http://www.labradoodletrust.com/health_information.html

Have you and the other owner had your dogs hip, elbow and eye tested? Have they been checked for VW and had a thyroid check? If so, do you realise that, should either of them fail any of the tests, they should not be used for breeding at all.

Hoof_Hearted wrote: »

Everybody knows that doodles don't breed true but you don't know whether the prospective parents are first, second or third crosses and therefore can't judge the likely outcome.

Why not? Responsible breeders know (and research) every ancestor in their dogs pedigree. You need to know about your dogs siblings, as well as his aunts and uncles, to find out if there is any evidence of the many hereditary diseases Labradoodles can have. A responsible stud dog owner will also research the b1tch,s pedigree before agreeing to a mating.

To do the best you possibly can for any pups born, you need to start way before conception.

And (in response to another poster) I am also child free by choice and am also all in favour of limiting the population .

Caroline_a

I think that most people would be in agreement that the OP is keeping his dog entire so that he can make a few bob on a back-street mating. And that's the only reason, unless he is one of those who anthropomorphise their male dogs, which is almost more ludicrous.

CFC

krlyr wrote: »

One of my pet peeves is when a thread turns a bit negative, someone inevitably comes along and brands all the replies as pointless negativeness. Do you not think it's a bit insulting to those who've taken their time to explain why they disagree?

Because it's the same story whenever anyone mentions either getting a puppy - get a rescue dog! Or breeding - leave it to 'the professionals!'

If working for charities makes your opinion more valid, then yes, I have volunteered for a dog rescue charity that deals with the fallout of overbred, undersocialised, undertrained dogs.

Overbred...yes and it's professional breeders who produce them, not one person wanting to produce one litter. And no, working for charities does not make your opinion more valid.


But if you can't have an opinion on the irresponsible breeding of dogs unless you have had yourself sterilised, I guess I'd better bow out now..

Ok bye

As I said, when a helpful post is published on this subject on this forum, I'll fall off my perch in astonishment. It's always the same old same old you're irresponsible, you don't know what you're doing, leave it to the professionals, your motives are suspect yada yada yada.

And Caroline - maybe you could open your blinkered mind and consider, just for one moment, that perhaps OP thinks his dog is so lovely and has such a great personality that he feels it's a pity for him not to procreate? Just for one second do you think you could possibly explore something that might shatter your mental preconceptions? Probably not!

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

Caroline_a wrote: »

One question. Why?

gettingready wrote: »

3 people asked the same question - wonder if it will make OP think about it at all?

Shelters are bursting, too many dogs are PTS and someone wants to breed from ANOTHER dog? What for?

£400 - £750 a pop for a labrador/poodle mongrel puppy?

Caroline_a

CFC wrote: »

And Caroline - maybe you could open your blinkered mind and consider, just for one moment, that perhaps OP thinks his dog is so lovely and has such a great personality that he feels it's a pity for him not to procreate? Just for one second do you think you could possibly explore something that might shatter your mental preconceptions? Probably not!

Personality?? Ah so health doesn't matter then? No need for hip and elbow scores, or any research into the dog's genetic history? Breeding for temperament I can understand, but without physical well-being all that flies out of the window because a dog in pain is an unpredictable and grumpy dog.

A pity for him not to procreate? What a load of twaddle! :rotfl:

tango

CFC wrote: »

As I said, when a helpful post is published on this subject on this forum, I'll fall off my perch in astonishment. It's always the same old same old you're irresponsible, you don't know what you're doing, leave it to the professionals, your motives are suspect yada yada yada.

And Caroline - maybe you could open your blinkered mind and consider, just for one moment, that perhaps OP thinks his dog is so lovely and has such a great personality that he feels it's a pity for him not to procreate? Just for one second do you think you could possibly explore something that might shatter your mental preconceptions? Probably not!

I agree with the first paragraph . This is an emotive subject and always will be. I have looked at rescue centres and they tend to be full of Staffies, with few other breeds, or mixes. People will always breed from their pets pedigree or not. It would be nice to get a mixture of replies and not just the ' get from a rescue otherwise you will go to hell' reply . I thought of breeding from my dog, but did research and realised that it is not something to be taken lightly. Also although my dogs health is very good , her temperance is not great with other dogs, so I would not feel happy or responsible about mating her.

krlyr

tango wrote: »

It would be nice to get a mixture of replies and not just the ' get from a rescue otherwise you will go to hell' reply

I think there has been a mixture of posts. None of them are "Yes please, and put me down for a puppy!", but they're not all "You're going to hell" either (a couple I might deem slightly blunt, but equally I can understand the frustration when seeing the same thing happen over and over again with the posters not wanting to listen to the friendly advice - people give up and get blunt). The majority of replies have disagreed with the idea of OP breeding this particular dog, but they're not all anti-breeding. I think that just goes to show that, in this particular instance (like your decision with your dog), people feel that OP's dog is not the ideal of candidates to father a litter.

For OP to suggest that you simply don't know the lineage of "doodles" implies they don't know the lineage of theirs, and that would be a deciding factor in whether to breed from him for me (and many others) for a starter. That's not being rude, mean, controversial for the sake of being controversial, it's just a rudimentary principle in responsible dog breeding - you need to know exactly what you are breeding from to know what it might produce in the puppies. If you cannot even know whether either parent is an F1, F2, F3, how can you know if the grandparents had hip dysplasia, cataracts, heart disease? A predisposition to dog aggression, were euthanised for biting a child, a nervous temperament. Like you say, breeding from a dog with a less than sound health or temperament is irresponsbile practice and that is what people are objecting to.

Hoof_Hearted

A lot of you on here amaze me with your assumptions. I have any old mongrel labradoodle and I am going to "back-street" breed from him and produce a littler of unwanted pups which I am going to market at £500 a pop to make enough money to retire. A pity I couldn't knock them out for the Chistmas market.

The dog has a huge history, bought from a small breeder who gave me full details of his lineage (we don't call it pedigree with mongrels) and all his parents' health scores. He has a BVA hip score of 3 and 2 from memory and other health screenings will follow before he does the deed. The female has similar history and has been BVA hip scored (I was told but can't remember). Their coats are curly and silky, so I know the pups won't all be curly and non-shedding.

My dog is a double doodle, being a cross between a golden doodle and a labradoodle. He has been checked over by the vet who remarked on his fitness. His only vet visit other than his MoT was for waxy ears, a problem with floppy-eared dogs. We keep these plucked now.

I am not insulted by having him called a mongrel, and I know that is the intention by the more rabid posters on here, but I would rather breed from a remarkably fit and healthy dog like him than the terribly over bred King Charles, pugs and bulldogs I see around. I have no interest in breeding dogs to produce shorter noses or curlier tails. It's a pity the dog world isn't full of mongrels.

Maybe it's where I live, but doodles and cockerpoos are very popular here because they are such delightful dogs. I have yet to meet an evil one. Personally, I am limited in my choice of dogs due to chronic asthma and I don't seem to react to poodle-type coats.

Perhaps there are a few factory breeders on here who are worried about their profits.