Dangerous dog behaviour....solution?

Pthree

I really don’t understand how someone can justify breeding when a couple of threads down on this page is a thread about how the RSPCA and other rescues are putting healthy dogs down because they cannot re- home them.

Unless your dog is a rare breed or an outstanding example of its breed (and I mean outstanding not just "awww he's cute and such a nice little chappie too") then no one except licensed breeders should be doing it, and if I am honest I have my doubts about a lot of them too!


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thorsoak

Hoof_Hearted wrote: »

A lot of snobbery on here about cross-breeds/mongrels. Yes, we need more bulldogs that can't breathe and pure-breds with hip problems. Labradoodles are just brilliant house dogs -- intelligent, happy, non-aggressive, robust dogs with few inherited medical problems and a great temperament. They are ideal pets, if a medium size dog is preferred, and they are much in demand. In addition, some coats are non-shedding.

Another owner wants her female doodle to have one litter and there will be a queue of people wanting a pup. Not everybody wants a rescue dog -- a bit like buying a new car, some people want to know the history, particularly if they have younger children. The dog homes are full of Staffies and Staffie crosses, not doodles and other poodle crosses.

However, after his honeymoon, we probably will have him done.

Oh dear, another greedy breeder who knows absolutely nothing about what he is getting into - OP do you realise that as the owner of the sire, you are equally responsible for the health/wellbeing of any puppies that you breed ...for the entire life of such puppies? That's what good breeders do -but of course, you are looking that the stupid prices that you can achieve

Have you had your mongrel hip and elbow scored? Have you had him health-screened for the genetic problems that can be inherant in BOTH poodles and labradors? If you dont, andany resulting pups have health problems that result from them, the owners could sue both you and the owner of the !!!!!.

Oh yes - dogs don't have "honeymoons" - have you actually observed a mating? You may have to "hold" your boy for up to an hour during the tie (this is when the dog has actually penetrated and then turns, so that dogs are then "tail to tail" - but need to be kept together until the dog's p***s retracts into the sheath and they separate naturally. If he tries to pull away - or the !!!!! attempts to move, it can cause considerable damage to both animals. And once he has been used at stud, whether or not you have him neutered he will attempt to mate with any in-heat female and can become an absolute nightmare

Raksha

heartbreak_star wrote: »

Also, sadly, most people who want doodles want the cute "labrador with curly coat" F3 generation. The scruffy F1 and F2s often aren't wanted...though I'd happily take every one in the country if I had the room

HBS x

Me too.

Plenty here: http://www.labradoodletrust.com/rehoming.html

PS - how are these dogs with poor recall away from other dogs supposed to improve if they're not allowed off lead?

Welshwoofs

Hoof_Hearted wrote: »

Labradoodles are just brilliant house dogs -- intelligent, happy, non-aggressive, robust dogs with few inherited medical problems and a great temperament.

With all due respect, the above is total tosh because there is no breed that can be unilaterally termed 'non-aggressive', 'happy' and with 'great temperament'. I've met aggressive Labradors....I've met lots of aggressive Poodles (my Aunt had 3 in succession....all called Freddie...all little barstewards) and I've met aggressive Labradoodles.

Any dog can be aggressive and I really dislike it when people advertise a particular breed as canine angels - it's as daft as the inverse position that says that some breeds are 'devil dogs'

kitschkitty

Hoof_Hearted wrote: »

A lot of snobbery on here about cross-breeds/mongrels. Yes, we need more bulldogs that can't breathe and pure-breds with hip problems. Labradoodles are just brilliant house dogs -- intelligent, happy, non-aggressive, robust dogs with few inherited medical problems and a great temperament. They are ideal pets, if a medium size dog is preferred, and they are much in demand. In addition, some coats are non-shedding.

Another owner wants her female doodle to have one litter and there will be a queue of people wanting a pup. Not everybody wants a rescue dog -- a bit like buying a new car, some people want to know the history, particularly if they have younger children. The dog homes are full of Staffies and Staffie crosses, not doodles and other poodle crosses.

However, after his honeymoon, we probably will have him done.

Hoof_Hearted wrote: »

Blimey, I never expected to be patronised to such an extent on here. Of course, I will let my doodle mate with any female with a cute face and a curly coat and I'll just drown any pups that are not curly and any that are left over. I'll find a cold, dark shed somewhere for them to be born.

Everybody knows that doodles don't breed true but you don't know whether the prospective parents are first, second or third crosses and therefore can't judge the likely outcome. Labradoodles, whatever the coat style, are fantastic dogs and sought after in this area.

The size of the doodle obviously depends to a large extent on the size of the original poodle input. Standard poodles are pretty big dogs, but most local labradoodles seem to be labrador size.

If we decide to breed, they will, of course have nothing but the best possible treatment and care.

All of which points towards owners who are breeding for thier own selfish pleasures not the good of the dogs involved, pups born & breed in general.

No-one serious about breeding a dog wants "just one litter" the health risks associated with pregnancy & birthing are pretty high, and the associated costs have to be borne too.

Breeding is neither necessary of of any benefit to your dog, it'a strange ego thing of owners to think that way, sure all animals want to reproduce as their genetic imperative, but neutered/castrated pets don't have any concept of missing out on anything.

If you don't know the animals parentage going back several generations then you aren't being a responsible breeder, you simply can't play up an individual dogs good points without an overview of it's family health history etc.

Caroline_a

Hoof_Hearted wrote: »

Blimey, I never expected to be patronised to such an extent on here. Of course, I will let my doodle mate with any female with a cute face and a curly coat and I'll just drown any pups that are not curly and any that are left over. I'll find a cold, dark shed somewhere for them to be born.

Everybody knows that doodles don't breed true but you don't know whether the prospective parents are first, second or third crosses and therefore can't judge the likely outcome. [STRIKE]Labradoodles[/STRIKE] Mongrels, whatever the coat style, are fantastic dogs and sought after in this area. Really??

The size of the doodle obviously depends to a large extent on the size of the original poodle input. Standard poodles are pretty big dogs, but most local labradoodles seem to be labrador size.

If we decide to breed, they will, of course have nothing but the best possible treatment and care.

Good for you.

Oh dear. You're not being patronised, you're being criticised for adding to the rescue numbers in this country.

As a matter of interest, do you have any idea what the hip and elbow scores are for your dog and his parents? Does your dog's history have any cataract problems? Don't know...? I thought not.

krlyr

Raksha wrote: »

PS - how are these dogs with poor recall away from other dogs supposed to improve if they're not allowed off lead?

With careful training, the use of a longline or secure areas, using a trainer or behaviourist and volunteers who have the choice to volunteer their dog to help. The desire/intent to achieve a good recall does not make it OK for your dog to pester others in public spaces, especially with behaviour that has the potential to be harmful to those dogs (even if he doesn't mean it aggressively, the Newfoundland's sheer size could cause injury to another dog - like I said before, what if he did it to an injured dog? One with spinal issues, hip dysplasia, one that had just had an operation and was on short on-lead walks in the park when the Newfoundland ran over to it?)

Person_one

krlyr wrote: »

With careful training, the use of a longline or secure areas, using a trainer or behaviourist and volunteers who have the choice to volunteer their dog to help. The desire/intent to achieve a good recall does not make it OK for your dog to pester others in public spaces, especially with behaviour that has the potential to be harmful to those dogs (even if he doesn't mean it aggressively, the Newfoundland's sheer size could cause injury to another dog - like I said before, what if he did it to an injured dog? One with spinal issues, hip dysplasia, one that had just had an operation and was on short on-lead walks in the park when the Newfoundland ran over to it?)

I do think people need to remember that no matter how good a recall you train, no dog is a robot and most of them will let you down sooner or later. Dog owners do need to cut each other a bit of slack every now and then and accept that none of our dogs are perfect.

krlyr

Yes, accidents and mistakes happen, which I totally accept. Like I said, done it myself - took the rescue for their word that Casper was OK with other dogs and unfortunately someone else's dog was the victim of his unsociable behaviour (at least he just rudely barged over to said dog and all was fine after an apology).
However, I believe that if I'd let it happen again it would no longer be an accident, but a lack of due care. Therefore, off I went to buy a spare longline and that is how Casper has stayed, unless we're in certain safe places I can let him off. I may not be able to control his actions completely but I can control his ability to follow through with those actions.
We're talking about a Newfoundland that has done this 4 times alone to OP's dog. OP has seen it do the same at least once to another dog. 5 episodes are not a case of an unexpected failure to recall.
I don't believe that if an owner knows their dog will fail to recall, they should be letting it off-lead and out of their control. The law demands dogs to be in control in public spaces, and aside from that, it's just manners to not let your dog run over to other dogs when you don't know how they will react. It's a nightmare for me, as owner of a reactive dog, to have other dogs run over to us. While an owner may get the idea that my dog is on-lead for a reason (though not always), their dog usually doesn't and I'm the one having to duck and dive to protect my dog while the owner meanders over and attempts to catch their dog who is dodging them to try to get to mine.
I will happily forgive an accident or unexpected situation but it drives me around the bend when it's the same culprit, over and over. You know your dog fails to recall, you deal with it - and there's a great invention called a lead that helps loads with this.

Welshwoofs

Person_one wrote: »

I do think people need to remember that no matter how good a recall you train, no dog is a robot and most of them will let you down sooner or later. Dog owners do need to cut each other a bit of slack every now and then and accept that none of our dogs are perfect.

Yup! I had a giggle once when I met an owner of 3 Lurchers down a lane and we got talking about recall. I mentioned that he must have a nightmare with 3 sight-hounds. He slipped his lead off one to demonstrate how obedient he was and the dog shot off like a bat out of hell....after some old chap's Yorkshire Terrier that had just trotted off and completely ignored all attempts at recall. Cue one red-faced Lurcher owner hot-footing it down the lane before his dog could get Terrier for dinner.