A Seasonal Warning for Pet Owners

System

yangptangkipperbang wrote: »

This is rather a spurious argument - apart from which most rat poisons work on the fact that rats are unable to vomit - which children most certainly are............
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I never knew that. If true then that is by far the most interesting fact I've learnt from this board!

pulliptears

yangptangkipperbang wrote: »

Are you a Vet - where did this gem come from, Wikipedia again ???

As you appear to have been giving your pooch grapes/plus raisins until you read of this "scare" might I suggest that your dog is quite safe eating these - in moderation !

Just about everything causes problems with some people - is that a reason to tell everyone NOT to eat it ? My wife has the most awful reaction to crab meat - should I stop eating it ?

Please don't misunderstand me - I am NOT saying that you should force feed your dog on raisins. But, after having read many of the comments on Google it does appear to be a bit of a "scare" story based on a very few cases.

Its advise, you can take it or leave it. As the advise is coming from vets and poisons experts I think personally I'll take it.

As I said, responsible pet owners will I imagine heed the warnings.

pulliptears

yangptangkipperbang wrote: »

Are you a Vet - where did this gem come from, Wikipedia again ???

This 'gem' can be found all over the internet....

This pet insurance website echoes the advise that as little as four grapes can be toxic to a small dog:

http://www.petinsurance.com/healthzone/pet-articles/pet-health-toxins/Raisin-and-Grape-Toxicity.aspx

Telegraph article citing four grapes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2391484/Dog-poisoning-cases-up-by-almost-50-per-cent.html

And another site saying four...

http://mistyhorizon2003.hubpages.com/hub/Grapes-and-Raisins-can-kill-your-dog

And another

http://moreaboutmydogs.com/health/dogs-and-onions/raisin-and-grape-toxicity/

And another....

http://petsadviser.com/pet-health/how-toxic-are-grapes-for-dogs/

I could go on, and on, and on and on but its a little pointless really. As I said, responsible owners will heed the warnings and not take the chance with their animals.

System

pulliptears wrote: »

This 'gem' can be found all over the internet....

This pet insurance website echoes the advise that as little as four grapes can be toxic to a small dog:

http://www.petinsurance.com/healthzone/pet-articles/pet-health-toxins/Raisin-and-Grape-Toxicity.aspx

Telegraph article citing four grapes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2391484/Dog-poisoning-cases-up-by-almost-50-per-cent.html

And another site saying four...

http://mistyhorizon2003.hubpages.com/hub/Grapes-and-Raisins-can-kill-your-dog

And another

http://moreaboutmydogs.com/health/dogs-and-onions/raisin-and-grape-toxicity/

And another....

http://petsadviser.com/pet-health/how-toxic-are-grapes-for-dogs/

I could go on, and on, and on and on but its a little pointless really. As I said, responsible owners will heed the warnings and not take the chance with their animals.

Yet just to clarify despite all this "evidence", until recently you fed your dog copious amount of grapes with no ill affects?

pulliptears

goater78 wrote: »

Yet just to clarify despite all this "evidence", until recently you fed your dog copious amount of grapes with no ill affects?

Hmmm missed the point where I stated copious could you point that out to me?
In fact clarify where I mentioned a quantity at all please.

As I say you can troll the thread all you like. This is advise. Whether you heed it or not is of no concern to me.

Beetlemama

goater78 - that really made me laugh. I love people who can take a slam and improve on it. Such grace...

Anyway, it was a surprise to me back about 15 years ago to find out they couldn't have chocolate, my old girl lived for our shared chocolate breaks, I'm glad I didn't hurt her, she died of old age sleeping on my lap one May morning Had I known though, I wouldn't have been splitting whole bars with her, and she'd have been no worse off for it, I'd have found her something else to have.

It's fabulous that if someone makes a mistake and feeds a "banned food" that their dog DOESN'T instantly die, but once you know what they shouldn't have, you shouldn't continue feeding it to them really.

If they get hold of a bar of chocolate and eat it (I'm looking at you Dallas Grace) and they're perfectly fine, then excellent! that dog's not sensitive to small quantities, but I'm not going to give Jessie Jane a bar too, just to see if she is. Or let Dallas have a big bar of Bournville to test her limits. The reports of death-by-chocolate are almost always Christmas raids of whole boxes of chocolate from under the tree, so that might be a thing to remember if you have a scavenger dog.

It's just about being sensible.

FYI - The folks over the road from me had two pedigree Dalmations which died within two weeks of each other after one of them, while playing in the garden, knocked over the grapevine trellis and they ate all the grapes off it

System

thanks op i knew about chocolate but not the other stuff.

s1lv3rdal5

OP.
It may also be prudent to warn about the dangers of Anti-Freeze to pets.
Even a small amount can Kill, and it happens so quickly, there is often not time to get to a vet.

Dogs that go in a garage and cats that go under cars are at risk.

QuackQuackOops

Scaremongering is not a wise thing to do.

Chocolate and raisins could kill a dog, lets say a lab if you feed him 10 pounds of the stuff.
Lets have some perspective here.

I am sick to death of people saying "Oh no, just one small piece of chocolate is enough to kill your dog" if I even so much as wave a choccie anywhere near her.

No...it wont.
Nor will a mince pie kill my dog.
Nor will a grape.

If you want to educate people, at least do it right and with some perspective.

shaun_from_Africa

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

Scaremongering is not a wise thing to do.

Chocolate and raisins could kill a dog, lets say a lab if you feed him 10 pounds of the stuff.
Lets have some perspective here.

I am sick to death of people saying "Oh no, just one small piece of chocolate is enough to kill your dog" if I even so much as wave a choccie anywhere near her.


If you want to educate people, at least do it right and with some perspective.

So if you want it done right, why are your figures so far off?

For a 33KG lab, as little as 7oz or 8oz of baking chocolate or 23 oz of dark chocolate could be enough to cause major problems or death. (unless of course you think that National Geographic are making the figures up)
Quite a way from 10Lbs isn't it?
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/10/pets/chocolate-chart-interactive.html

There are plenty of other places that give very similar figures.

According to the Merck Veterinary Manual, one ounce of milk chocolate per pound of body weight is potentially lethal.
But the real danger lies with dark chocolate. Merck warns that deaths have been reported with theobromine doses as low as 115 milligrams per kilogram (2.2 pounds) of body weight.
So 20 ounces of milk chocolate, 10 ounces of semi-sweet chocolate, and just 2.25 ounces of baking chocolate could potentially kill a 22-pound dog, Fitzgerald says

And if you really want to read the facts, have a look at this. This manual is used by vets all over the world.
http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/toxicology/food_hazards/chocolate.html#v3348458